WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Pat Coleman]

Apparently home court is worth at least 44 points this season!  In B'town, IWU won by 31.  In Chicago, NPU won by 13.

Would this be 22?

[RogK]

GoPerry, your question in #8171 has me stumped, but I promise to work on it for almost as long as it takes! ha

[RogK]

standings going into Saturday's contests (Carthage idle) :
9-1 NPU
7-3 WHE
6-3 IWU
5-5 AUG MIL
4-5 NCC
3-7 CRL CTG
2-8 ELM
44 of 72 games complete

[RogK]

in the 44 conference games :
average winning score 71.4
average losing score 59.7
median winning score 70-71
median losing score 58
most common winning score 62 (five occurences)
most common losing score 59 (four occurences)
These numbers may be interesting to one person in Uzbekistan or Tajikistan or Mikitastan.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Apparently home court is worth at least 44 points this season!  In B'town, IWU won by 31.  In Chicago, NPU won by 13.

Would this be 22?

D'oh!  Yes, but 44 seems more impressive!

After a decade+ of retirement, my stat skills have deteriorated drastically.   If I get into any serious statistical debates, I'd better REALLY concentrate!

[Gregory Sager]

I hope you'll note and give me due credit for not being the one to point it out, Chuck.

[RogK]

So IWU would win by 9 at a neutral site.
Pat has a lot of nerve making us think this much.

[Mr. Ypsi]

In the race for MOP, we seem to be right back where we were a week ago - a three-way race among Kendall Sosa, Hannah Frazier, and Jayla Johnson.  Although the award is supposedly an individual award, my impression (I haven't tracked this specifically) is that team success is also a definite factor in voting, and the winner is more often than not the best player on the conference-winning team.  If that is correct, the front-runner currently would have to be Jayla Johnson, but I think it is still quite a wide-open race.

Does anyone recall whether the MOP voting is before or after the conference tourney?  (I seem to recall that the winner is announced at the tourney, in which case voting must precede it, but I'm not sure.)

[Mr. Ypsi]

I hope you'll note and give me due credit for not being the one to point it out, Chuck.

I will if you can give PROOF that you noted my error!

So IWU would win by 9 at a neutral site.
Pat has a lot of nerve making us think this much.

Pat IS a known sadist in that regard.

[Gregory Sager]

Does anyone recall whether the MOP voting is before or after the conference tourney?  (I seem to recall that the winner is announced at the tourney, in which case voting must precede it, but I'm not sure.)

Last year the All-CCIW team (including the MOP) was announced on the Tuesday that the CCIW tourney began. The press release came out in the morning, the games were played that night.

[Peter Nicholson]

Last year the All-CCIW team (including the MOP) was announced on the Tuesday that the CCIW tourney began. The press release came out in the morning, the games were played that night.

It should be the same this year - the CCIW Women's Basketball Sports Guide (July 2019 version) states that "Coaches will conduct their all-conference voting via conference call on the Monday of the week of the conference tournament at 10 a.m."  Then, "The 'Lori Kerans Most Outstanding Player' is selected from the eight-member first team immediately after the first team voting has been completed.

[Gregory Sager]

Thanks, Peter!

[RogK]

Did we decide whether a player's accomplishments in non-conference games are included in all-conference / MOP contemplation?

[Peter Nicholson]

Did we decide whether a player's accomplishments in non-conference games are included in all-conference / MOP contemplation?

Since the all-conference players are selected from a list of nominees submitted by the coaches, and there are no published nominating "guidelines" that I'm aware of, perhaps we need to ask the coaches themselves how much weight they give to accomplishments in the non-conference portion of the schedule.

[RogK]

By the way, welcome to these pages, Peter.
There are likely variations among the coaches' approaches to this issue.
The formula I proposed a year ago disregarded non-conference play. The gist of it was that a team is automatically granted one all-CCIW spot if it won 5-8 conference games, two if it won 9-13, three if it won 14-16. That came from 72 total conference wins / 16 all-CCIW spots = 4.5; there would be leftover open spots to vote on. That formula, although nearly brilliant, was summarily rejected by our fellow writers.
Of course, as I note, it completely ignored non-conference play. Non-conference play matters for making the NCAA tournament, so it should matter in any evaluation of the players involved in that endeavor.
In a few weeks, debates here about who deserves all-CCIW can include quoting conference-only stats or full-season stats. We won't agree to use just one or the other.