WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[iwu70]

Jester, let it go . . . of course that game left an extremely bitter taste in IWU's fan's mouths, my own included . . . but what's done is done.  Move on. 

We have more good basketball to be played, more good teams and players to support and cheer on . . . and one cannot re-write history to suit one's grievances. . . though many try. 

Happy New Year to all . . . let's hope 2022 treats us well . . . and that the pandemic soon wanes, allowing for more normal life and full sporting activities. 

'70

[RogK]

Happy '22 to you too, iwu70.
We'll continue to appreciate our D3 athletes; contrast them with so many 20-yr-olds who seemingly don't do much other than peck at their phones.

[Jester1390]

I'm not upset I had another person send me the video. I was just amazed I wasn't aware of that.  Now if my kid had been on the team I would be nuts about it.   Not everyone is aware of history.  I still hate the cowboys because drew Pearson pushed off when I was a kid against the Vikings

[Jester1390]

Lol hmmm negative smites for posting video. All you need to know about today's society in a nutshell

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I still feel young a lot of the time, but I have been watching and talking about d3hoops for more than two decades now.  Pretty much the most tried and true adage is that anyone complaining about the refs is not worth engaging.  There are a few less talented referees out there (although far fewer than there used to be) and lots of refs have off nights.  There's rarely an overall poor officiating performance (especially since they went to three refs and collectively overturning calls has become more common) that affects the outcome of a game - and even in those rare instances, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

It's a bit crude, but generally the second time you mention what's wrong with the refs is the first time I'm looking for someone else to talk to.  Bad officials are no different than a night when the shots aren't falling.  They're part of playing basketball.  You mention it and you move on.

[Roundball999]

Lol hmmm negative smites for posting video. All you need to know about today's society in a nutshell

First, you didn't post video.  Your files are not accessible here.  All readers can see is your editorial comments and home cooking claims (they were not MIAA refs).

Since you felt compelled to go there, I'll post the opposing view.  My apologies to the IWU fans here who have had nothing but class about that game.

From my perspective, which may be as biased as yours, most of the clips you reference are NOT black and white, they are arguably in the "could go either way" category and are the types of calls we see refs make all the time.  I don't know if you actually looked at the whole game or especially the last four minutes, but there was a lot that happened on the floor during those minutes that had nothing to do with calls that were made or missed. Several bad IWU turnovers, more than a couple of wide open looks that Hope buried.  To imply the refs determined the outcome is to ignore the efforts of both teams, good and bad.  The IWU fans graciously acknowledged at the time that those last three minutes were not their team's best of the game, while also expressing their views about the refs.

In other words, I agree completely with Ryan. 

[Jester1390]

again i would agree most of the time but  i dont care who won the game but the video is amazing. The circumstances are amazing. I had never heard of this game as it was before my time.  I had another person send me the video links who also doesn't have a dog to hunt in the matter but said you wouldn't believe this game and  the damn videos dont lie.  You cant escape it. You cant say it didn't happen.  If this happened in a Connecticut game for the national championship the airwaves would have exploded.  I follow a lot of sports for god sakes I watch F1 racing and i never heard anything about this game at the time.  This was more then just ref being not very good. The clock keeper not starting the clock. It might be a matter of  refs were intimidated by coach and crowd the last 5 minutes.  There is just no other explanation to explain these videos.

But if you want to be like the mob and leave dead bodies buried no problem. I posted it because you guys have been on here for so long you are emotionally attached to IWU it would be interesting to know how you felt at that time and now.   you can discuss matters without being pissed off.   Maybe a hope fan has a different perspective and his take on the videos might change my mind. I don't think it will but i would be interested.

No matter your view and yes  losers blame refs but all i know is if my daughter busted her ass not just for that year but all her life to get to that moment she just like Hope and IWU would deserve to have competent refs and neither team got that,

[Jester1390]

ok its how he sent to me on my phone  i cant make it into a format that i can post on here. i can only email the files. its all good I thought if you pasted the link it would show the video. Still mazing video but like the world we keep moving forward.

[Jester1390]

round with all due respect the clips i were sent the calls couldn't go either way

[RogK]

Carroll tied 16-16 after 1 Q vs Whitewater.
No Wichser or Rangel for the Pios.
They have already been using Thompson and Behrndt together to deal with Whitewater's tallness.
... I think they're without Rohner and Foster too .. not sure if the visitors are missing any regulars ..
Whitewater now up 27-18

[GoPerry]

I still feel young a lot of the time, but I have been watching and talking about d3hoops for more than two decades now.  Pretty much the most tried and true adage is that anyone complaining about the refs is not worth engaging.  There are a few less talented referees out there (although far fewer than there used to be) and lots of refs have off nights.  There's rarely an overall poor officiating performance (especially since they went to three refs and collectively overturning calls has become more common) that affects the outcome of a game - and even in those rare instances, there's nothing anyone can do about it.

It's a bit crude, but generally the second time you mention what's wrong with the refs is the first time I'm looking for someone else to talk to.  Bad officials are no different than a night when the shots aren't falling.  They're part of playing basketball.  You mention it and you move on.

Totally agree.  At times when I do post a comment about the refs it is typically from the "they missed one" perspective.  The idea of a crew consistently favoring one team over another, or worse, that a single call or set of calls being the reason one team lost a game is really not worth engaging.

Side note:  If I can be forgiven for posting a MBB related comment on this board - Ryan, nice ATN article about YU/IWU.

[iwu70]

Thanks, RogK.  Hope you and your family are all safe and well for 2022. 

That Hope-IWU game will always live in infamy, for many IWU fans that year.  But, let's move on . . . more basketball to be played in 2022.  Hope surely playing extremely well this year, now . . . IWU has to rebuild, find a few bigs that can provide defense and rebounding in the paint, and rely on our great freshmen for the future of the program.  IWU, both men and women's programs, have very bright futures . . . I'm sure.  Dedicated student-athletes, great facilities and some of the best coaches in D3.  We are totally blessed as a sports program.  And, the Titan Nation will continue supporting them, no matter. 

Again, Happy New Year to all.

'70

[Jester1390]

wow there are some trees in this carroll game.

[Gregory Sager]

Carroll tied 16-16 after 1 Q vs Whitewater.
No Wichser or Rangel for the Pios.
They have already been using Thompson and Behrndt together to deal with Whitewater's tallness.
... I think they're without Rohner and Foster too .. not sure if the visitors are missing any regulars ..
Whitewater now up 27-18

Is the camera operator drunk? There's so much wobble in this feed that I'm getting seasick. Worst part is that half the time the camera's not even trained on the ball.

[RogK]

I'm wondering if it's an automated camera that detects movement of players rather than the ball.