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Gregory Sager

"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 07:47:21 PM
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The tie-breakers are too complicated.  If you beat Millikin (and the Blue and the Green otherwise win out), there is no tie and you get to broadcast the tourney from the beautiful Shirk rather than the pit of Decatur - comprendez?

Just get your young ladies ready for their assignments! ;D

iwu70

Ypsi, good to see you back on the board.  I guess Q has decided to abandon this space, this chat. 

As to the tiebreaker, I think IWU wants Carroll to lose one or two more games now, and finish lower in the standings for purposes of the tiebreaker if IWU and MU finish with the same record in conference play.  As you indicated, we can cheer for NPU on this one . . . Greg will be stunned.

I was totally surprised to see NCC beat MU . . . and the horrible shooting night that Knudsen had in that one.  Proves she's not really superwoman every night. 

Titans gotta clean up a lot of stuff, to win out, especially stop driving into traffic, reduce errant passes, and stop commiting so so many TOs as vs. NPU.  Luckily, NPU had even more and not enough of a surrounding cast around the marvelous Jayla Johnson.

Three games to go -- really down the stretch now.

IWU'70

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: iwu70 on February 10, 2022, 08:19:33 PM
Ypsi, good to see you back on the board.  I guess Q has decided to abandon this space, this chat. 

As to the tiebreaker, I think IWU wants Carroll to lose one or two more games now, and finish lower in the standings for purposes of the tiebreaker if IWU and MU finish with the same record in conference play.  As you indicated, we can cheer for NPU on this one . . . Greg will be stunned.

I was totally surprised to see NCC beat MU . . . and the horrible shooting night that Knudsen had in that one.  Proves she's not really superwoman every night. 

Titans gotta clean up a lot of stuff, to win out, especially stop driving into traffic, reduce errant passes, and stop commiting so so many TOs as vs. NPU.  Luckily, NPU had even more and not enough of a surrounding cast around the marvelous Jayla Johnson.

Three games to go -- really down the stretch now.

IWU'70

She is a likely AA (at least eventually), but not YET a Kendall Sosa, and certainly not yet her coach, Olivia Lett. ::)

Gregory Sager

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 07:47:21 PM
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The tie-breakers are too complicated.  If you beat Millikin (and the Blue and the Green otherwise win out), there is no tie and you get to broadcast the tourney from the beautiful Shirk rather than the pit of Decatur - comprendez?

Just get your young ladies ready for their assignments! ;D

You have a seriously distorted view of: a) my role with the team, and b) my influence upon it, if you think they are going to listen to anything I have to say about how to play basketball.

Also, I don't travel with the women's basketball team. I only broadcast home games. Unless NPU hosts a first-round tournament game in two weeks, I have called my last game of the 2021-22 school year for this particular Vikings team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:37:04 PM
She is a likely AA (at least eventually), but not YET a Kendall Sosa, and certainly not yet her coach, Olivia Lett. ::)

Elyce Knudsen is a sophomore who averages 19.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg (from a guard spot!), 3.5 apg, and 2.3 spg, and who owns a 1.3:1 a:to (second in the CCIW) and a .449/.363/.839 shooting line. Those are All-American numbers right now. There's no "eventually" about her.

The all-time leading scorer in CCIW play is North Park's Rachel Pearson Bernero, who finished her career with 1102 points in CCIW contests. Knudsen is on pace to finish with 1327. That's if she stays on pace, i.e., she doesn't get any better than she already is.

She is light-years beyond what Kendall Sosa was as a sophomore. If she stays healthy, Elyce Knudsen will be one of the two or three greatest players to ever play CCIW women's basketball by the time her career is done ... maybe even the greatest. That is a cold, hard fact, Chuck.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

RogK

Greg, you're not doing next Wednesday's game vs Wheaton?

Gregory Sager

Oops. Forgot about that one.

Yes, unless NPU hosts a first-round tournament game in two weeks, that will be the last game I call of the 2021-22 school year for this particular Vikings team.

"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 07:47:21 PM
???

The tie-breakers are too complicated.  If you beat Millikin (and the Blue and the Green otherwise win out), there is no tie and you get to broadcast the tourney from the beautiful Shirk rather than the pit of Decatur - comprendez?

Just get your young ladies ready for their assignments! ;D

You have a seriously distorted view of: a) my role with the team, and b) my influence upon it, if you think they are going to listen to anything I have to say about how to play basketball.

Also, I don't travel with the women's basketball team. I only broadcast home games. Unless NPU hosts a first-round tournament game in two weeks, I have called my last game of the 2021-22 school year for this particular Vikings team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:37:04 PM
She is a likely AA (at least eventually), but not YET a Kendall Sosa, and certainly not yet her coach, Olivia Lett. ::)

Elyce Knudsen is a sophomore who averages 19.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg (from a guard spot!), 3.5 apg, and 2.3 spg, and who owns a 1.3:1 a:to (second in the CCIW) and a .449/.363/.839 shooting line. Those are All-American numbers right now. There's no "eventually" about her.

The all-time leading scorer in CCIW play is North Park's Rachel Pearson Bernero, who finished her career with 1102 points in CCIW contests. Knudsen is on pace to finish with 1327. That's if she stays on pace, i.e., she doesn't get any better than she already is.

She is light-years beyond what Kendall Sosa was as a sophomore. If she stays healthy,
Elyce Knudsen will be one of the two or three greatest players to ever play CCIW women's basketball by the time her career is done ... maybe even the greatest. That is a cold, hard fact, Chuck.

Yes, I'm aware that Knudsen is well ahead of Sosa as a sophomore.  She is not yet in the ball park of Sosa as a senior.  And is not yet even in the area code of Olivia Lett  :o.



Gregory Sager

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 10:54:23 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 09:52:46 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:07:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2022, 07:47:21 PM
???

The tie-breakers are too complicated.  If you beat Millikin (and the Blue and the Green otherwise win out), there is no tie and you get to broadcast the tourney from the beautiful Shirk rather than the pit of Decatur - comprendez?

Just get your young ladies ready for their assignments! ;D

You have a seriously distorted view of: a) my role with the team, and b) my influence upon it, if you think they are going to listen to anything I have to say about how to play basketball.

Also, I don't travel with the women's basketball team. I only broadcast home games. Unless NPU hosts a first-round tournament game in two weeks, I have called my last game of the 2021-22 school year for this particular Vikings team.

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 10, 2022, 08:37:04 PM
She is a likely AA (at least eventually), but not YET a Kendall Sosa, and certainly not yet her coach, Olivia Lett. ::)

Elyce Knudsen is a sophomore who averages 19.2 ppg, 5.8 rpg (from a guard spot!), 3.5 apg, and 2.3 spg, and who owns a 1.3:1 a:to (second in the CCIW) and a .449/.363/.839 shooting line. Those are All-American numbers right now. There's no "eventually" about her.

The all-time leading scorer in CCIW play is North Park's Rachel Pearson Bernero, who finished her career with 1102 points in CCIW contests. Knudsen is on pace to finish with 1327. That's if she stays on pace, i.e., she doesn't get any better than she already is.

She is light-years beyond what Kendall Sosa was as a sophomore. If she stays healthy,
Elyce Knudsen will be one of the two or three greatest players to ever play CCIW women's basketball by the time her career is done ... maybe even the greatest. That is a cold, hard fact, Chuck.

Yes, I'm aware that Knudsen is well ahead of Sosa as a sophomore.  She is not yet in the ball park of Sosa as a senior.  And is not yet even in the area code of Olivia Lett  :o.

She's closer than you think she is. Anyway, your point is irrelevant. You're talking about a player who still has more than two years left in her career. Heck, if she so chooses, she can play for three more years, instead of just two.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

iwu70

I agree with Greg about Knudsen, Chuck.   She has so many more games, years to build her record, her legacy at MU.  And, she surely won't have many off-nights, like she had vs. NCC the other day.  She's a unique talent for the D3 level and was able to bolt onto the scene significantly as a freshman.  Pretty unusual . . . doesn't happen very often at all in the CCIW in women's or men's play.  Just a few players have started such a significant impact on the league that early, then with several more years to build on it.  We all love Kendall's game, no doubt, but she was mainly a significant factor her junior and senior years. 

More important games to be played . . .  with IWU and MU still tied at the top at 11-2.  Three games to go . . .

IWU'70

GoPerry

Quote from: iwu70 on February 11, 2022, 12:15:01 PM
I agree with Greg about Knudsen, Chuck.   She has so many more games, years to build her record, her legacy at MU.  And, she surely won't have many off-nights, like she had vs. NCC the other day.  She's a unique talent for the D3 level and was able to bolt onto the scene significantly as a freshman.  Pretty unusual . . . doesn't happen very often at all in the CCIW in women's or men's play.  Just a few players have started such a significant impact on the league that early, then with several more years to build on it.  We all love Kendall's game, no doubt, but she was mainly a significant factor her junior and senior years. 

More important games to be played . . .  with IWU and MU still tied at the top at 11-2.  Three games to go . . .

IWU'70

Keep in mind that Sosa played with some veteran players on good teams both her junior and senior years.  It was especially true for that 2019-20 team with Sydney Shanks running things. 

Millikin will be graduating Jazmin Brown, Aubrey Staton and Jordan Hildebrand.  So Knudsen won't have quite the same supporting cast for her last two seasons which means she'll be called upon to do more than just score.  And teams can defend a little differently also.  Don't get me wrong, everything I've seen of Knudsen tells me she is more than up to the task.  But it will be a little different for her.

iwu70

GoPerry, totally agree with you on Knudsen and MU the next few years, when Staton and Hildebrand go . . .  depends greatly on Olivia Lett's recruitment.  Knudsen is a unique talent, as several of us have said a number of times, but she's not superhuman . . . and she can be defended as the Titans showed in the first game, esp. the first half.  She'll have off nights too, like at NCC the other night, like all players have.  I actually think Jayla Johnson is the "Most Outstanding Player" this year, from what I've seen. 

The future for the IWU program is very bright, even with the graduations of Eck, Bowen and Lansford.  We're celebrating them today on Senior Day.  With Heller and Carlson coming back, and the three freshmen:  Huber, Palmore and Powers . . . it looks like a solid core to build on and improve.  I know the recruitment class of at least 6 newbies is very strong.  Things around Shirk in the women's program are very optimistic.  A few of the current pine-sitters will be able to step up and join the primary rotation next year.  Key will be how much hard work, improvement that returning core is willing to do in the off-season to really become All-Conference level players.   They certainly have that potential. 

Another big game for the Titans today vs. Wheaton.  And then, two very tough road games at NCC and Augie.  Gotta take them one at a time, and play well, do well what got you to 11-2.  Then, a very competitive conference tournament.   Two weeks, three games to go . . . again, who is more fit and determined, who doesn't have injuries or covid absences, who wants it more . . . 

IWU'70

P.S.   You are right, GoPerry, that Sosa had Sydney Shanks -- another All-Conference player . . . those were wonderful teams.   ms


RogK


iwu70

Sorry, RogK, I have uneducated fingers.   What?  Are you becoming the Board school marm now?  I thought that was Greg's m.o. 

That Palmer, to which I referred, has a chance, if she works hard, to become one of the most prolific trey shooters in CCIW history.  IMHO.  Lansford will outdo her in 3s this year, but Palmer still have three more years to fire away!

Here we go . . . two good ones at The Shirk, IWU hosting Wheaton.

'70

RogK