WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

Mr. Ypsi · March 05, 2010, 10:40:46 PM

With 14 to go, C. Solari has her typical double-double: 10 points, 14 boards.

IWU up 52-30.

Mr. Ypsi · March 05, 2010, 10:51:13 PM

Franklin goes on a 10-2 run to make me slightly nervous.

IWU gets a 2. Up 56-40 with just under 10 to go.

Mr. Ypsi · March 05, 2010, 11:07:29 PM

This one's over, though not nearly as easy as I expected.

With 3:10 remaining, IWU 68, Franklin 50.

iwumichigander · March 05, 2010, 11:18:41 PM

Final Scores:
Women:
IWU 76 Franklin 52
Carthage 73 Northland 60

On the men's side, a win last night by Wheaton and wins tonight by both IWU and Carthage; the CCIW goes 5-0 in the 1st round. Nice work by all our CCIW teams!!

Hoosier Titan · March 06, 2010, 03:03:03 AM

The Pantagraph story is up.
http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-wesleyan/article_b8efd968-28e8-11df-9b03-001cc4c002e0.html
I like Olivia Lett's quote.

There is also a new selection of photos in the Pantagraph Sports Photo Gallery. They are very nice, except several of them currently feature Christina Solari (53) labeled as "Stacey Arlis" (who wears #52).

Was Simpson over Chicago a huge upset? Anyone have a game report on that one? Thanks!

RogK · March 06, 2010, 11:08:01 AM

I wouldn't call the Simpson win a huge upset, Hoosier Titan. I saw Simpson very early in the season at North Central and thought they had a nice array of talented athletes. Incidentally, no one played more than 26:00 for them vs Chicago.
Congrats to IWU and Carthage (Diana Jacklin 20 pts, 14 reb) on their wins.
Carthage faces Whitewater (91-73 winners) tonight.
Go Lady Reds! Go Titans!

Mr. Ypsi · March 06, 2010, 08:59:40 PM

Halftime scores:

Carthage 35, UWW 32.

IWU 32, Simpson 16.

In B'town, both teams are shooting horribly - IWU 26%, Simpson 21% (and 0% on 7 trey attempts). Currently the Titans have allowed 16 points and forced 14 TOs - come on, let's get that defensive masterpiece!

Mr. Ypsi · March 06, 2010, 09:19:17 PM

Gosh darn it - they're losin' the coup! At one point the Titans go it to 17 points allowed, 16 TOs! But now it is 24 to 17.

Fear not, they still lead by over 20.

Carthage pulling away from UWW - up 13 w/ 11 to go.

mactitan · March 06, 2010, 10:01:11 PM

Titans win 83-53.
Titan men won too. Will either host? That's going to be an interesting question in the coming days (not sure when the decision is made, but it has to be pretty quick).

Mr. Ypsi · March 06, 2010, 10:05:19 PM

Quote from: mactitan on March 06, 2010, 10:01:11 PM
Titans win 83-53.
Titan men won too. Will either host? That's going to be an interesting question in the coming days (not sure when the decision is made, but it has to be pretty quick).

By seed, the Titan women probably should host, but I suspect the Sectional will be in Holland. While there is no written rule preventing a team staying home the entire tourney, I suspect there is an unwritten rule.

The men's Sectional will IMO be in Kenosha (possibly in Stevens Point); almost certainly not at the Shirk.

mactitan · March 06, 2010, 10:28:40 PM

As I understand picking the hosts, travel distance has a lot to do with it. I would hope that two factors do not matter in this: 1. where the Final Four is. That should be a seperate issue. If the NCAA does not want a team to host an entire tournament, then don't allow Final Fours to be on DIII campuses. If they have criteria for picking host cities, those rules should be followed - not unwritten rules. 2. Where the men's tournament will be. UW-SP and IWU being in the men's 16 should have nothing to do with this, since it is a women's priority year.

If distance is a major factor, I would think Marymount (Arlington, VA) is out. They are not going to make three midwestern school travel to one eastern school. I also think Arlington is too far from Holland, Stevens Point, or Bloomington to drive. So I think these distances are irellavant, depending on the distance threshold. If Marymount can drive to Hope and not IWU, then that would tip it to Hope.

Arlington to Holland: 676 miles
Arlington to Bloomington: 758 miles
Arlington to Steven's Point: 946 miles

So if it were in Bloomington:
SP would travel 303 miles
Hope would travel 255

If it were in Hope
SP would travel 400 miles
IWU would travel 255 miles

If it were in SP
IWU would travel 303 miles
Hope would travel 400 miles

Based on these numbers, IWU would be the lowest overall travel. I'm not sure if Hope with one loss or IWU with one loss would be considered the higher "seed." Based purely on how the bracket is laid out, it looks like IWU is in the higher seeded slot.

mactitan · March 06, 2010, 10:56:18 PM

Wherever the sectionals are hosted, Carthage and IWU will have a tough time getting out. Carthage will play winner of No. 5 George Fox and No. 15 Puget Sound. In the other side is No. 6 Wash U and unranked Mount Union.

The Titans have to play No. 23 UW-SP, on the other side is No. 4 Hope and No. 7 Marymount. The teams in IWU's sectional have a combined 9 losses (UW-SP has 6). It is the only sectional with four teams in the d3hoops top 25.

No. 1 Amherst has three other unranked teams in their sectional. No. 3 Kean has only No. 10 Chris Newport.

I'll say it again - unless there is a WRITTEN rule about a team not hosting every round in the NCAA tournament, the fact that IWU is hosting the Final Four should not be a factor in who hosts the sectional (and it should not have been for Hope the last two years either. I feel like I've read mixed reports as to the reasons why Hope didn't host a sectional in the past).

iwumichigander · March 06, 2010, 11:02:45 PM

Quote from: mactitan on March 06, 2010, 10:56:18 PM
Wherever the sectionals are hosted, Carthage and IWU will have a tough time getting out. Carthage will play winner of No. 5 George Fox and No. 15 Puget Sound. In the other side is No. 6 Wash U and unranked Mount Union.

The Titans have to play No. 23 UW-SP, on the other side is No. 4 Hope and No. 7 Marymount. The teams in IWU's sectional have a combined 9 losses (UW-SP has 6). It is the only sectional with four teams in the d3hoops top 25.

No. 1 Amherst has three other unranked teams in their sectional. No. 3 Kean has only No. 10 Chris Newport.

I'll say it again - unless there is a WRITTEN rule about a team not hosting every round in the NCAA tournament, the fact that IWU is hosting the Final Four should not be a factor in who hosts the sectional (and it should not have been for Hope the last two years either. I feel like I've read mixed reports as to the reasons why Hope didn't host a sectional in the past).

Mac if anyone knows the facts Guru Coleman knows - below is a more accurate explanation, according to Pat Coleman, as to why Hope was not able to host on its home court into its hosted Final Four:

Quote"Is it possible for one team to host all the way through to the national championship game? Hope didn't have the chance to do that either of the past two years, once because the men were hosting and last year because of the dreaded geographic proximity clause. - http://www.d3hoops.com/women-final-four/10/preview.htm"

There is no written rule. There is, however, NCAA politics and also a lot of variables between the brackets the CCIW men and women are in.

Hwbb · March 07, 2010, 12:03:28 AM

Don't hang out here much--the MIAA board is more like home. But now there are reasons, of course. Those of us up in Michigan are as anxious as you all are to hear the host site for the sectionals. Last year, the NCAA had a convenient excuse to dodge the question of whether a team can host all six possible games of an NCAA tournament--the "dreaded geographic proximity clause" that Pat Coleman named in his preview. No such luck this year. Obviously, you'll all see huge bias in the next statement, and there probably is, but I think the sectional ought to be in Holland, or Stevens Point, or the United Center in Chicago--anywhere but Bloomington. I simply cannot see how a tournament can be equitable and fair when one team gets a clear advantage the other 63 teams cannot have--home court for every game. (And yes, I said the same thing last year, when this same question swirled around Hope.)

I do look forward to seeing the Titans play; we've heard plenty, thanks to Mr. Ypsi. I just don't look forward to traveling to Bloomington two weekends in a row.

Hoosier Titan · March 07, 2010, 07:11:09 AM

Quote from: Hwbb on March 07, 2010, 12:03:28 AM
I do look forward to seeing the Titans play; we've heard plenty, thanks to Mr. Ypsi. I just don't look forward to traveling to Bloomington two weekends in a row.

Welcome to the CCIW board, Hwbb. I'm sure that, should the situation you mention arise, Mia Smith and her team would be happy to save you the second trip!

Of course, each team has another game to play first.