WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

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RogK

Not only did North Park's Liz Rehberger score the game-winning hoop to end the game at Carthage, she also managed (see the box score, as yet unfixed) to play 42 minutes in a 40 minute game.
As Uncle Leo would say, Hello?

iwu70

RogK, perhaps they gave her "extra credit" -- like those students who get over a 4.0 GPA these days . . . talk about grade inflation, this is minutes inflation.

Sure was disappointed the way the Titans played vs. WC.  Gotta recoup, forget the bad evening and move on . . . and do the best to win out.  WC has some additional tough games upcoming, so one never knows how it will all play out in the final six games of the CCIW season.

IWU'70

Gregory Sager

After handing Illinois Wesleyan the game on a silver platter on Saturday, it was good to see NPU squeeze out a tough one over Carthage in Kenosha last night.

The Vikings still have a ways to go to extricate themselves from the hole which they in large part dug for themselves over the two previous weeks, but that win was a good start.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

iwumichigander

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 28, 2016, 09:56:21 PM
After handing Illinois Wesleyan the game on a silver platter on Saturday, it was good to see NPU squeeze out a tough one over Carthage in Kenosha last night.

The Vikings still have a ways to go to extricate themselves from the hole which they in large part dug for themselves over the two previous weeks, but that win was a good start.
It was a very nice, highly polished silver platter. 

GoPerry

Quote from: iwu70 on January 28, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
RogK, perhaps they gave her "extra credit" -- like those students who get over a 4.0 GPA these days . . . talk about grade inflation, this is minutes inflation.

Sure was disappointed the way the Titans played vs. WC.  Gotta recoup, forget the bad evening and move on . . . and do the best to win out.  WC has some additional tough games upcoming, so one never knows how it will all play out in the final six games of the CCIW season.

IWU'70

I don't see either Wheaton or IW winning out although the Titans clearly have the best chance schedule-wise.  I would even venture to say that if NPU or EC wins out, they'll have a good chance at the #1 and hosting the conf tourney.


Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: RogK on January 28, 2016, 06:52:25 PM
Not only did North Park's Liz Rehberger score the game-winning hoop to end the game at Carthage, she also managed (see the box score, as yet unfixed) to play 42 minutes in a 40 minute game.
As Uncle Leo would say, Hello?

They decided that she 'gave 110%', so her 38 minutes counted as 42.  It's basic math! ;D

RogK


Gregory Sager

Augustana beat North Park in the Carver Center today, 62-55. It was a frustrating loss to take, as the nip-and-tuck game was tied at 53 apiece with two and a half minutes to go. From that point onward, however, NPU turned the ball over, made a pair of free throws, and had three one-and-done missed jumpers, as the Vikes were badly outrebounded today by Augie by 14 boards. At the other end of the floor, Augie did almost everything right, going 3-3 from the field and 3-4 from the line.

Nicole Kruckman had a really good day for NPU, scoring 16 on 7-9 shooting from the field and adding eight boards. Liz Rehberger scored 14 and Soly Román had 10 rebounds. Marissa Pezzopane had a great game for Augie with 21 points before she fouled out just before the game's conclusion, while Kaycee Kallenberger had a 12 and 11 double-double.

With Elmhurst, Illinois Wesleyan, and Wheaton all winning today, this loss makes NPU's task just that much harder.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

iwu70

Yes, IWU over CC tonight in Cheeseheadland, 75-72.  Good contributions from the bench, still some pretty poor shooting.  This team is lucky to get this road wind, grind one out.  Win they are good, pretty good, but also pretty inconsistent still.  Gotta win out and hope WC takes another loss.

IWU'70

RogK

#4854
Many/most of you may have seen the stat, effective FG pct or "eFG%." You can find it on basketball-reference for the NBA. Basically it is traditional FG% plus proper credit for 3FGs made. You add 0.5 more to the made FG totals for each made 3FG.
For example, Player A took 10 FG att and made 5 two-pointers and 0 threes, so her FG% is .500 and her eFG% is also .500.
Player B took 10 FG att and made 2 twos and 2 threes; her FG% is .400 and her eFG% is .500. Both players scored 10 pts on 10 FG att; the equal eFG% accurately reflects this.
By the way, the current NBA eFG% leader is DeAndre Jordan at .711, followed by Steph Curry at .635.
Here are the current CCIW WBB eFG% leaders, conference-play only. I arbitrarily limited the list to players who have scored at least 36 points from FGs (twos and threes) in conference play / 9 games, the equivalent of two 2FGs made per game for 9 games.
I decided on a .400 cutoff. Team is in ( ).
.625 B Gilbert (C)
.590 M Grizaffi (NC)
.585 H Considine (W)
.565 N Kruckman (NP)
.563 K Going (M)
.554 E Johnson (E)
.539 M Pezzopane (A)
.536 M Masini (C)
.533 V Allen (A)
.532 J Cuny (NC)
.530 K Jones (E)
.514 M Merritt (IW)
.509 C Monroe (E)
.491 C Somers (M)
.489 E Hoyer (M)
.489 M Kumer (E)
.488 J Berg (W)
.477 T Pettersson (NC)
.472 M Harris (C)
.470 M Eppard (E)
.469 S Roman (NP)
.459 M Vukovich (C)
.449 M Hozzian (C)
.446 G Holness (IW)
.444 L Rehberger (NP)
.442 M Whipple (NC)
.438 A Saklak (M)
.438 R Ehresman (IW)
.435 E Thomas (C)
.420 A Sterling (NC)
.420 O Mayer (A)
.406 C Meacham (W)
.400 L Hernandez (NC)
Differences in quantity of shots involved are not reflected, of course. And, obviously, the eFG% stat does not include FTs, which are an important aspect of certain players' games (such as K McDaniels -- her eFG% is .384 incidentally).
That said, it is more useful to look at this list than the traditional FG% leader list.

GoPerry

Quote from: RogK on January 31, 2016, 04:03:23 PM
Many/most of you may have seen the stat, effective FG pct or "eFG%." You can find it on basketball-reference for the NBA. Basically it is traditional FG% plus proper credit for 3FGs made. You add 0.5 more to the made FG totals for each made 3FG.
For example, Player A took 10 FG att and made 5 two-pointers and 0 threes, so her FG% is .500 and her eFG% is also .500.
Player B took 10 FG att and made 2 twos and 2 threes; her FG% is .400 and her eFG% is .500. Both players scored 10 pts on 10 FG att; the equal eFG% accurately reflects this.
By the way, the current NBA eFG% leader is DeAndre Jordan at .711, followed by Steph Curry at .635.
Here are the current CCIW WBB eFG% leaders, conference-play only. I arbitrarily limited the list to players who have scored at least 36 points from FGs (twos and threes) in conference play / 9 games, the equivalent of two 2FGs made per game for 9 games.
I decided on a .400 cutoff. Team is in ( ).
.625 B Gilbert (C)
.590 M Grizaffi (NC)
.585 H Considine (W)
.565 N Kruckman (NP)
.563 K Going (M)
.554 E Johnson (E)
.539 M Pezzopane (A)
.536 M Masini (C)
.533 V Allen (A)
.532 J Cuny (NC)
.530 K Jones (E)
.514 M Merritt (IW)
.509 C Monroe (E)
.491 C Somers (M)
.489 E Hoyer (M)
.489 M Kumer (E)
.488 J Berg (W)
.477 T Pettersson (NC)
.472 M Harris (C)
.470 M Eppard (E)
.469 S Roman (NP)
.459 M Vukovich (C)
.449 M Hozzian (C)
.446 G Holness (IW)
.444 L Rehberger (NP)
.442 M Whipple (NC)
.438 A Saklak (M)
.438 R Ehresman (IW)
.435 E Thomas (C)
.420 A Sterling (NC)
.420 O Mayer (A)
.406 C Meacham (W)
.400 L Hernandez (NC)
Differences in quantity of shots involved are not reflected, of course. And, obviously, the eFG% stat does not include FTs, which are an important aspect of certain players' games (such as K McDaniels -- her eFG% is .384 incidentally).
That said, it is more useful to look at this list than the traditional FG% leader list.

Interesting.  Thanks for doing all that work(and posting it!).  The same stat would be applicable to team FG and eFG% right?

RogK

You're welcome. Here are the team offense numbers for 9 conference games each.
A   FG% .384,  eFG% .412
C   FG% .416,  eFG% .482
E   FG% .413,  eFG% .460
IW FG% .402,  eFG% .432
M  FG% .401,  eFG%  .429
NC FG% .364,  eFG%  .444
NP FG% .392,  eFG%  .430
W  FG% .387,  eFG%  .428
These stats don't explain what happened in any single game, but they may help clarify what occurred over the 9 game period. You'd also have to know about FTs, rebounds and turnovers.
Speaking of averages, the late Jack Brickhouse (baseball announcer) told a story about a boy who had one foot in a bucket of boiling water and the other in a bucket of ice water, so on the average, he should be comfortable.

GoPerry

Quote from: RogK on January 31, 2016, 08:10:33 PM
You're welcome. Here are the team offense numbers for 9 conference games each.
A   FG% .384,  eFG% .412
C   FG% .416,  eFG% .482
E   FG% .413,  eFG% .460
IW FG% .402,  eFG% .432
M  FG% .401,  eFG%  .429
NC FG% .364,  eFG%  .444
NP FG% .392,  eFG%  .430
W  FG% .387,  eFG%  .428
These stats don't explain what happened in any single game, but they may help clarify what occurred over the 9 game period. You'd also have to know about FTs, rebounds and turnovers.
Speaking of averages, the late Jack Brickhouse (baseball announcer) told a story about a boy who had one foot in a bucket of boiling water and the other in a bucket of ice water, so on the average, he should be comfortable.

Carthage at eFG% of .482 to lead the conference is surprising.  But their stats also show that they turn the ball over a lot(dead last in turnover margin) and lose the offensive rebound battle(also bottom) stat - both of which translates to them taking the least amount of shots in the conference (483 FG attempts) and near last in free throws(161).

RogK

Some of Carthage's best teams in recent years have had an outstanding eFG% :
2013-14 : .547 in 30 games
2011-12 : .513 in 31 games
2009-10 : .522 in 29 games

iwu70

Thanks for all the data RogK.  Very interesting stuff.

Five games to go and still the young IWU squad in a pretty good spot to win the Conference, surely make the final four for the CCIW tourney.  Would surely be nice to host a @The Shirk.   I'm pleased and surprised.  Hope it happens.

Keep going TITANS -- win out!

IWU'70