WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[Gregory Sager]

I'd pay good money to hear lmitzel work the P.A. in Gregory Arena while he was attending a game in another town.

[Enginerd]

gordonmann,
Long-time lurker around here, mostly because no one is ever around on the HCAC board- and you guys are always knowledgeable and the discussion here enlightening. I've also always followed CCIW sports since I grew up in the Midwest.
I AM curious as to why my alma mater, Rose-Hulman, has gotten absolutely ZERO love in the D3 Hoops poll this year, not so much as a single vote - despite having wins over three teams that have been ranked or have received votes this season - including two that are tied for their respective conference leads heading into the final week of the regular season (Chicago and Texas-Dallas).
Making this even more interesting is a glance at two teams from the MIAA either ranked or receiving votes, Trine and Calvin. Both teams have similar won-loss records (Trine one fewer loss and Calvin one more) yet are FAR down the SOS list compared to RHIT, which was inside the Top-50 until it played two weak conference opponents last week. Trine in particular has only two notable victories, both against a Calvin squad with an SOS of .473.
No doubt the ugly loss to IWU hurts - but IWU beat Chicago just as badly - both games at IWU. RHIT also boasts the #4 scoring defense in the country, and is the first team in 5 years to hold North Central's System to fewer than 50 points.
Interestingly enough, gordonmann, RHIT is ranked ahead of both Calvin and Trine in the 1st regional rankings as well.

[Enginerd]

...and for what it's worth, I think IWU is probably a Top 15 team - but they'll have to get into the NCAA Tournament to prove that!

[lmitzel]

Well then lmitzel, I think it should be your duty to attend the one game that doesn't have tournament consequences. Can you now pledge unwaveringly to us that you will do so?

Under ordinary circumstances, I would make that pledge with bells on. Unfortunately I've got a meeting with my wife tonight at our church about baptism of our little one who's due in less than a month, so go figure this is the one home game of theirs I can't make. 

I'd pay good money to hear lmitzel work the P.A. in Gregory Arena while he was attending a game in another town.

[RogK]

Welcome to the fray, Enginerd. In regard to RHIT, I was impressed by them when I saw their pair of wins at the North Park tournament in November.
lmitzel, good luck with your imminent family addition. Nevertheless, the meeting could be held at halftime inside Gregory Arena, no? ha ha
Here are the earlier results of tonight's CCIW matchups :
at ELM 86, IWU 80
at WHE 86, MIL 75
at CRL 86, NCC 117
at CTG 65, NPU 50

[lmitzel]

lmitzel, good luck with your imminent family addition. Nevertheless, the meeting could be held at halftime inside Gregory Arena, no? ha ha

Somehow I imagine a priest explaining the purpose of a Christian witness getting interrupted by my yelling "THREEEEEEEEE!" for the 12th time of the night would result in a very dirty look, and that's the best case scenario. 

[lmitzel]

Regional rankings just dropped. Illinois Wesleyan moves up to third in the Central, Wheaton is fifth, and Augie is eighth.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-second

[GoPerry]

Regional rankings just dropped. Illinois Wesleyan moves up to third in the Central, Wheaton is fifth, and Augie is eighth.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2017/02/women-regional-rankings-second

So . . . if anyone has any good explanation why Wheaton, who was 4th last week, got leap-frogged by  both IWU and Chicago - I would very much appreciate hearing it.  If head to head suddenly became a factor in the last 6 days (but not in the first ranking?), then IWU did beat Wheaton last month.  But then the Thunder beat Chicago fairly handily on the road earlier this season so that's more than odd.   

1st ranking:
Central           
1   Washington U.        18-2   18-2
2   UW-Oshkosh        19-2   19-2
3   UW-Whitewater     18-3   18-3
4   Wheaton (Ill.)        16-4   16-4
5   Illinois Wesleyan    14-6   14-6
6   Chicago                14-6   14-6
7   Cornell                15-4   15-4
8   Concordia (Wis.)   17-2   17-4
9   Elmhurst                16-5   16-5

2nd ranking: CENTRAL           
1   Washington U.    20-2   20-2
2   UW-Oshkosh           21-2   21-2
3   Illinois Wesleyan   16-6   16-6
4   Chicago                  16-6   16-6
5   Wheaton (Ill.)           18-4   18-4
6   UW-Whitewater   19-4   19-4
7   Concordia (Wis.)   19-2   19-4
8   Augustana           16-7   16-7
9   Cornell                   17-4   17-4

Also, Elmhurst won twice and got dropped from the ranking.  Augie went 1-1 and they got in . . .

Nothing to panic about - it's only the 2nd ranking and a lot can and will change.  Each team still has to win (although it looks like even that won't help Elmhurst). But the inconsistency is a little concerning. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not sure if this is the explanation, but first RRs do not include vRROs (since no one is yet ranked); second week vRRO IS a criterion.

For the men's rankings, I'm sure that did have an impact, since NPU dropping out and Carthage entering meant IWU's vRRO jumped from 3-4 to 5-2.

It  might be at least some of the explanation for your question, since removing Elmhurst and adding Augie replaces 0-1 and adds 1-1 for IWU.

[iwu70]

Would have thought EC ranked instead of Augie at this point in time.  Glad to see IWU higher in the rankings, getting to the selection table earlier.  Gotta keep winning . . . esp. vs. WC on the 21st.

Very good game now -- EC vs. IWU at the Shirk.

IWU'70

[GoPerry]

Not sure if this is the explanation, but first RRs do not include vRROs (since no one is yet ranked); second week vRRO IS a criterion.

For the men's rankings, I'm sure that did have an impact, since NPU dropping out and Carthage entering meant IWU's vRRO jumped from 3-4 to 5-2.

It  might be at least some of the explanation for your question, since removing Elmhurst and adding Augie replaces 0-1 and adds 1-1 for IWU.

Thanks Ypsi.  Yeah, I looked into the #s.  But IWU's vRRO is 3-4 while Wheaton's is 4-3.  The only thing I can come up with is IWU's slight edge on SOS of .607 vs Wheaton's at .588 ( and the head to head).  But no matter how I juggle it, this 2nd ranking seems very inconsistent with the 1st.

[Mr. Ypsi]

W/ about 6 left in the first half, IWU crushing Elmhurst, 37-16.

[iwu70]

Yes, IWU over EC at the half, by 22.  This one pretty much over.  Eppard may be, just may be the best player, but IWU surely the better team tonight.  Hard to win as a visitor at The Shirk.  Run and jump doing its dirt.  Titans getting lots of layups and many many more attempts, offensive possessions than EC.

Keep it rolling, TITANS!

IWU'70

[Mr. Ypsi]

At the half, IWU 49, Elmhurst 27.  The striking difference is TOs: Elmhurst 19, IWU 7.  Thus, while Elmhurst had a better FG% (63 to 54), they made only 10 FGs to IWU's 19.

This game borders on already being over.

[iwu70]

Titans video streaming site out, can't see the final, but surely IWU over EC.  I'll post later.

Titans now 12-2 in CCIW, with two games to play.  17-6 overall.  Looking better and better for March dancing.

IWU70