WBB: College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin

[iwu70]

Very strange thing at the beginning of the IWU game -- and "administrative technical," as the Titans didn't turn in their starting line-up "on time."  So Chicago shot 2 FTs to start the game, even before the tip off, making one.  IWU loses by 1 -- so Coach Smith must be kicking herself!   Have never ever seen that before -- an "administrative technical."  ?   

Titans basically shot themselves in the foot in this one -- missing those 4 FTs in the last 30-40 seconds of the game. 

I usually don't complain about the zebras, but this game was poorly officiated, IMHO. 

It won't get any easier for the Titans in the next few games.

IWU'70

[RogK]

Simpson 100, Millikin 65.
Jordan Hildebrand tallied 15 pts, 5 rebs, 4 assists for Millikin. The Big Blue committed 27 turnovers.
iwu70, there is a known deadline for submitting starting lineups, so it wasn't "strange." I forget if it's 30 minutes before tipoff; something like that. The rule probably is a courtesy for the scorer's table and also prevents last-minute gamesmanship silliness. The violations are rare (I've seen it once in person) and occur because someone forgets to submit the lineup or assumed someone else on staff was going to take care of it.

[lmitzel]

Very strange thing at the beginning of the IWU game -- and "administrative technical," as the Titans didn't turn in their starting line-up "on time."  So Chicago shot 2 FTs to start the game, even before the tip off, making one.  IWU loses by 1 -- so Coach Smith must be kicking herself!   Have never ever seen that before -- an "administrative technical."  ?   

IWU'70

I had this just last year on the men's side when Millikin didn't get theirs in before their game at NCC. Granted I thought it was just a single free throw for an administrative tech, but not knowing what the violation was I could be wrong.

iwu70, there is a known deadline for submitting starting lineups, so it wasn't "strange." I forget if it's 30 minutes before tipoff; something like that. The rule probably is a courtesy for the scorer's table and also prevents last-minute gamesmanship silliness. The violations are rare (I've seen it once in person) and occur because someone forgets to submit the lineup or assumed someone else on staff was going to take care of it.

It's 10 minutes before, so there's usually plenty of time. And in the aforementioned Millikin-NCC game, we asked their coach at like the 16 minute mark, and he said he'd get it to us, which he did... with like 6 minutes till tip.

[Gregory Sager]

iwu70, there is a known deadline for submitting starting lineups, so it wasn't "strange." I forget if it's 30 minutes before tipoff; something like that.

It's at 10:00 on the pregame clock, not 30:00.

The rule probably is a courtesy for the scorer's table and also prevents last-minute gamesmanship silliness. The violations are rare (I've seen it once in person) and occur because someone forgets to submit the lineup or assumed someone else on staff was going to take care of it.

Exactly. This is why there is typically an assistant coach to whom the head coach specifically assigns the task of checking the book and presenting the starters to the scorer's table before the 10:00 deadline every game. At NPU it's always the full-time assistant coach that handles it for the women's team (currently Annie Shain), while for the men's team (NCAA men's basketball has an identical ten-minute rule) the responsibility is carried out by the GA (currently Justin Halloran). At schools that lack a full-time assistant coach or GA, the head coach will typically take on the task herself/himself. Perhaps Mia Smith has had some changeover on her staff, leading to miscommunication or to a simple mental lapse on the part of the new assistant.

Regarding the infraction itself, it's Rule 10.2.b.1, which is as follows:

b. A team shall comply with lineup and roster requirements as follows:
1. Before the 10-minute mark is reached on the game clock that is
counting down the time before the start of the game, each team shall
supply the scorers with names and uniform numbers of team members
who may participate, and those of the five starting players.

And it's not that strange. I've seen administrative technicals called three times in the years that I've been following CCIW basketball, twice in the crackerbox and once at Faganel. Each of them involved a CCIW team playing a non-conference opponent. There have been other times that an admin tech could've been called on account of the ten-minute rule, but the officials have given some leeway, typically with the acquiescence of the other coach. For example, I remember that once a player got blood on her uniform during warmups and had to change into another jersey after her original number had already been booked and after the 10:00 pregame mark.

In the CCIW the coaches of the various teams generally bend over backwards for their conference associates if there's a mixup or an honest mistake prior to a game, a logical course of action since the two schools have to have a functional working relationship between their athletic departments in numerous sports. Souring the relationship does nobody any good. The most notorious example that I can recall of a home team accommodating a visiting team's screwup was when Illinois Wesleyan's men's basketball team showed up at the crackerbox five and a half years ago without their uniforms, due to a rather bizarre and short-sighted policy of keeping all of the unis in one bag (which was inadvertently left behind in Bloomington) instead of the typical practice of having each player carry his own uni in his own bag. Not only did Tom Slyder not insist upon any punitive action being taken against IWU, he even offered to let the Titans borrow NPU's road uniforms in order to get the game played in a timely fashion, an offer that was turned down with, again, no sanctions being taken against the Titans. (The unis eventually arrived from Bloomington via the parents of a Titans player, and the game started 80 minutes late.)

In JV games this rule is constantly flouted. Nobody seems to care, since JV games tend to have a laissez-faire, nobody-really-cares attitude about them. The refs don't press the issue at the 10:00 mark (a number of times I've sat at the table -- I'm North Park's official scorer for JV contests -- and wondered if the refs were even in the building yet when the clock hit 10:00), and the other team's coach doesn't press the issue. The only person in the gym who really seems to think that it's an inconvenience and a hassle is the person who has to scramble to get the info into the book at the last minute, the official scorer.

[iwumichigander]

Very strange thing at the beginning of the IWU game -- and "administrative technical," as the Titans didn't turn in their starting line-up "on time."  So Chicago shot 2 FTs to start the game, even before the tip off, making one.  IWU loses by 1 -- so Coach Smith must be kicking herself!   Have never ever seen that before -- an "administrative technical."  ?   

Titans basically shot themselves in the foot in this one -- missing those 4 FTs in the last 30-40 seconds of the game. 

I usually don't complain about the zebras, but this game was poorly officiated, IMHO. 

It won't get any easier for the Titans in the next few games.

IWU'70

Administrative technical occurs when something wrong or change made with score book after the ten minute mark prior to start of game.  Usually it occurs when a player left off the lineup or a wrong number entered on the lineup given to the official score table.

[Gregory Sager]

Yep, that's a more common scenario. I've seen that particular permutation of the admin tech perhaps four or five times over the years.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I see administrative techs for scorebook stuff quite a few times early in seasons - rarer as the season goes on. Usually, there is a stern conversation in the coach's office at some point soon after (since an assistant is responsible) and it never happens again that season.

[RogK]

IWU attempted only 9 3FGs in that game. Given that they have so many good lowpost scorers, I wonder if that is going to be the norm for them this season. Chicago was without star Olariche Obi (12.5 pts, 2.8 steals, 11.2 reb averages last season), which no doubt influenced IWU's game plan. It could also be the case that Chicago guarded the 3-line very well.

[Enginerd]

I thought Obi was out of eligibility but she is indeed a Senior...

[iwu70]

Thanks for all the background.  I had never seen an "administrative technical."  Given the one point loss, I'm sure some stern conversation took place within Mia Smith's staff. 

It was a great game.  I was surprised how little the Titans used "run and jump" in this game, perhaps indicating that Coach Smith doesn't think she has the personnel to do it well, or that UC was better at ball handling.  UC did guard well, and also guarded well the three point line.  The first half they defended very well, with the Titans figuring it out to some degree in the second half, esp. after Sydney Shanks took over most of the PG duties. 

Titans have tons of talent -- but just need to figure it all out, put it together, and do better at "finishing games."  Rebounding could be an issue.

More of the tough pre-conference schedule upcoming.

IWU'70

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'll point out, administrative techs can happen for a host of reasons. Dunking in pre-game used to be one of them. Illegal uniforms (when enforced) is another. Other... administrative things

Not having the starters in the book at the ten minute mark, not having the right number of players in the book (sometimes picked up in pregame), and a player entering the game who isn't in the book or has the wrong number (outside of a known change due to blood) are the most common, though. The last two usually happen during a game. Always weird and awkward.

[lmitzel]

I'll point out, administrative techs can happen for a host of reasons. Dunking in pre-game used to be one of them. Illegal uniforms (when enforced) is another. Other... administrative things

Not having the starters in the book at the ten minute mark, not having the right number of players in the book (sometimes picked up in pregame), and a player entering the game who isn't in the book or has the wrong number (outside of a known change due to blood) are the most common, though. The last two usually happen during a game. Always weird and awkward.

I'd forgotten at first, but we did have one of the latter two some time back in a season opener. The roster we had didn't match what jerseys we were wearing, and we actually discovered a few mistakes over the course of the game. But it was only the first one that notched an administrative tech, and the future mistakes we discovered didn't net a second one. Also if I remember correctly if we hadn't caught it until at least ten minutes into the game, there wouldn't have been an administrative tech. Fun times.

[lmitzel]

I didn't realize the conference was going to start these already, but North Central's Alanna Newsome won the season's first CCIW Player of the Week award coming off her 17 point, 3 rebound, 3 steal, 4 assist night in the win over Knox.

Not a bad way to start your collegiate career.

[RogK]

Carthage eased past Ripon, starting the season with a 78-57 win. 78-47 after falling behind 10-0.
Autumn Kalis tallied an efficient 17 pts, Madie Kaelber had 13 pts and 3 steals, Rachel Szydlowski scored 10, Sammie Woodward had 6 assists.
Alexis Jones had a nice game (6 2FGs in 10 FG att, 4/5 FTs, 6 rebs) but Augie lost at DePauw 68-58. The Vikings also got 10 pts from Scooter Lopez.

[iwu70]

Good luck to the TITANS as they travel today to Iowa for a good challenge vs. Wartburg, then a second game tomorrow vs. Cornell of Iowa. 

Bring home two Ws, Titans!

'70