Pool C -- 2011

[AO]

Maybe a BCS style system would work better.  Give a certain weight to the D3football.com poll, the SOS, and recent playoff success.  Endicott's feelings will not be hurt.

Of course you realize the BCS power ratings are completely neutered because they don't allow for margin of victory, even though the margin of victory calculations have laws of diminishing returns.

And again, what happened in 2010 doesn't matter in 2011. It's not the same group of athletes.

But if you're joking, I bit!

I wasn't advocating that the same inputs the BCS use be used in D3, just that D3 might use computers to come up with better pool c bids.  The d3football.com poll isn't used currently, but it has proved itself pretty accurate over the years.  We could maybe solve the endicott problem with more reasonable voters who should understand that 8-2 Wheaton or Bethel would crush Endicott, but the current voters hold too strongly to win pct.

[smedindy]

Except...you need a bid for all of the conferences otherwise the foolishness of conference jumping wouldn't stop. So D1 needs a 16-team playoff.

[smedindy]

Maybe a BCS style system would work better.  Give a certain weight to the D3football.com poll, the SOS, and recent playoff success.  Endicott's feelings will not be hurt.

Of course you realize the BCS power ratings are completely neutered because they don't allow for margin of victory, even though the margin of victory calculations have laws of diminishing returns.

And again, what happened in 2010 doesn't matter in 2011. It's not the same group of athletes.

But if you're joking, I bit!

I wasn't advocating that the same inputs the BCS use be used in D3, just that D3 might use computers to come up with better pool c bids.  The d3football.com poll isn't used currently, but it has proved itself pretty accurate over the years.  We could maybe solve the endicott problem with more reasonable voters who should understand that 8-2 Wheaton or Bethel would crush Endicott, but the current voters hold too strongly to win pct.

But, then you quash the potential that an unheralded team could be an excellent team just by the company it keeps. I'm sure when Curry beat Ithaca - no one gave Curry a chance.

They already USE computers in calculating the SOS - which is almost mirroring the RPI.

[AO]

Maybe a BCS style system would work better.  Give a certain weight to the D3football.com poll, the SOS, and recent playoff success.  Endicott's feelings will not be hurt.

Of course you realize the BCS power ratings are completely neutered because they don't allow for margin of victory, even though the margin of victory calculations have laws of diminishing returns.

And again, what happened in 2010 doesn't matter in 2011. It's not the same group of athletes.

But if you're joking, I bit!

I wasn't advocating that the same inputs the BCS use be used in D3, just that D3 might use computers to come up with better pool c bids.  The d3football.com poll isn't used currently, but it has proved itself pretty accurate over the years.  We could maybe solve the endicott problem with more reasonable voters who should understand that 8-2 Wheaton or Bethel would crush Endicott, but the current voters hold too strongly to win pct.

But, then you quash the potential that an unheralded team could be an excellent team just by the company it keeps. I'm sure when Curry beat Ithaca - no one gave Curry a chance.

They already USE computers in calculating the SOS - which is almost mirroring the RPI.

yes, they calculate SOS but it is not weighted by the voters as more important than win pct.  And an unheralded team needs to schedule up if they want to get in with a loss.  It's silly leaving top 25 teams at home in favor of Case or Endicott.

[smedindy]

Top 25 is still subjective. Look at how many teams are ORV. There's no consensus Top 25. That's why Keith went to posting his Top 50.

[jknezek]

I'm not sure, but I swear people are cutting and pasting posts from last year! And probably the year before, though I wasn't here to tell. Amazing how the exact same arguments flow each year. As Pat has pointed out, it doesn't matter.

1) Win your conference
2) Only lose 1 game
3) Pray for a miracle.

If you can't do one or two, doesn't it really make sense you are stuck with 3? I could see it if we were arguing about putting 6 out of 12 one loss teams in, but we aren't. Simple solution folks, don't lose 20% of your games and hope to get in a tournament that only accepts about 13% of eligible teams.

[AO]

I'm not sure, but I swear people are cutting and pasting posts from last year! And probably the year before, though I wasn't here to tell. Amazing how the exact same arguments flow each year. As Pat has pointed out, it doesn't matter.

1) Win your conference
2) Only lose 1 game
3) Pray for a miracle.

If you can't do one or two, doesn't it really make sense you are stuck with 3? I could see it if we were arguing about putting 6 out of 12 one loss teams in, but we aren't. Simple solution folks, don't lose 20% of your games and hope to get in a tournament that only accepts about 13% of eligible teams.

1. Schedule poor opponents
2. Play in a poor conference
3. Ignore past playoff failures

[smedindy]

We've spent 10 pages debunking those thoughts. It's about opportunities, not elitism.

[HScoach]

Has anyone else gotten the NCAA thing yet?

[jknezek]

Holy COw. SJF gets in. The committee pulled the trigger on an 8-2 team. Amazing.

[smedindy]

I think we need to erase about 30 pages of kvetching, mine included! 

[DanPadavona]

Amazing. Fisher is in, Endicott is out. Great choice by the NCAA Committee.

[jknezek]

McM is also in as a Pool C.

[jknezek]

Illinois College makes 3.

[jknezek]

Centre makes 4.