Pool C -- 2011

[Pat Coleman]

Salisbury is in the East, however. I confirmed with the committee today and adjusted our team listings.

In addition, Frostburg State and Gallaudet move from the South to the East. No games were affected.

DePauw's move was reflected on the site earlier and the schedule changed to match. DePauw-Allegheny is now in-region and DePauw-Austin is not.

[bleedpurple]

The "Pool C'ers" wish list.  Our motto is "None for all and all for none", (but keeping your fingers crossed for your own team.)

I've updated my list from the other day. I believe (and I could be wrong) these are all the teams that could finish with 1 loss but not win their conference. This doesn't include teams that can only finish with 1 loss by winning their conference (such as North Central in the CCIW) or 2 loss teams worthy of Pool C discussion (such as UW-Oshkosh)

Conf        Team                            Record          Conf Deciding Games
ASC:  Louisiana College   6-1 (4-1) (none)  Lose to McMurry on Nov 5
CC:   Johns Hopkins       7-0 (6-0) (vs Ursinus)  Run the table
CCIW**: Illinois Wesleyan   6-1 (3-1) (none)
      Wheaton             6-1 (3-1) (Lose @ North Central)
E8:   Salisbury           7-0 (5-0) (Defeat  St John Fisher and run the table including Wesley)
LL:   Hobart              5-0 (3-0) (Beat RPI)
MAC:* Delaware Valley     8-0 (6-0) (Run the table @ Lycoming, vs Widener)
      Widener             7-1 (5-1) (Lose @ Del Val)
      Lycoming            6-1 (4-1) (Lose vs Del Val)
MIAA: Adrian              7-0 (3-0) (Win vs Albion)
MIAC: St Olaf             6-1 (4-1) (Run the table. none)
MWC:  Illinois College    7-1 (6-1) (none)
NCAC: Wabash              7-0 (4-0) (Run the table and win Wittenberg; Okay to lose versus DePauw)
NEFC: Endicott            8-0 (6-0) (Win @ Western New England, NEFC Championship)
NWC:  Linfield            6-0 (4-0) (Win vs Lewis & Clark)
      Lewis & Clark       6-0 (3-0) (Lose at least 2 of 3; @ Pacific Lutheran, vs Willamette, @ Linfield)
OAC:  Mount Union         7-0 (6-0) (Run the table and win vs Baldwin-Wallace)
PAC:  Thomas More         7-0 (6-0) (Run the table  and win @ Westminster, vs Waynesburg)
SCAC**: Trinity (TX)        7-0 (3-0) (Run the table vs Birmingham Southern, vs Centre)
      Centre              6-0 (3-0) (@ Millsaps, Lose @Trinity)
      Birmingham Southern 5-1 (2-1) (Lose @ Trinity, vs Millsaps)
SCIAC Redlands            5-1 (3-1) (none)

Pool B
      Wesley              6-1  Lose at Salisbury
      Case Western Reserve 6-1

Pool C leftovers
ECFC: None
HCAC: None
IIAC: None
NAthC None
NJAC: None
ODAC: None
UMAC: None
USAC: None
WIAC: None

**The CCIW and  the SCAC have a great chance to get one Pool C bid.

St Olaf and Redlands look like they are in great shape, too.

Iliinois College has too weak of a schedule.

It looks like there may be 1-2 bids that are up for grabs beyond the "first cut".  I think that 4 Pool C bids are "no-brainers".  The rest get very hard.  The committee will have its job cut out for itself.

Thanks FC and  Ralph for the work on this.  This is a great snapshot. St. Olaf should make for some good drama on November 12th if they take care of business the next two weeks.  They play Concordia-Moorhead.  The Cobbers will be coming off a bye and should be playing relaxed.  After losing by 3 to C-M last year, the Oles will be playing with the pressure of knowing that if they win, they have a great shot at being in.

[hickory_cornhusker]

2011 Handbook

DePauw has been moved to the North Region, but Salisbury is nowhere to be found...

The Seagulls are not listed with the Empire 8 and are not among the South Region independents.

Why are some things going to be supplied at a later date in the handbook? I understand some things but I would think the D3 Philosophy and the Championship Policy on Sports Wagering won't change much between now and when the playoffs start.

[USee]

I guess I am not sure why a 9-1 Wheaton ( presuming a win over NCC) wouldn't make it in the field along with a 9-1 IWU. I think IWU would go fairly early in the process and as long as Wheaton got to the table with a slot left I don't see who would be a better candidate among the pool C candidates. I make this point now because it would be moot if they lose to NCC in a week bu it seems to me they are a near lock at 9-1 based on the numbers.

[Mugsy]

Almost had a major shift in Pool C consideration.  IWU barely defeats Millikin 28-25.  Millikin had the ball in the IWU redzone with just over 2 minutes left, but opted to go for it on 4th and 3 instead of kicking a tying FG.

[Ralph Turner]

These are my first impressions.

Wesley just made the E8 a 1-bid conference.

Lewis and Clark won a big one for the NWC.  (If L&C beats Willamette next week, how about a Lewis & Clark at Cal Lu and Redlands at Linfield west coast bracket?)

Trinity took care of business in San Antonio with their win over B-SC.  Next Saturday, they host Centre, who barely edged Millsaps on the road.

After their first win over HSU since Grant Teaff was head coach back in the Kennedy administration, McMurry goes to Louisiana College.

I want Wabash to give Wittenberg its second loss next week.


UW-La Crosse beat UW-Oshkosh, 30-24 in OT.  That cleans up the Oshkosh question.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Almost had a major shift in Pool C consideration.  IWU barely defeats Millikin 28-25.  Millikin had the ball in the IWU redzone with just over 2 minutes left, but opted to go for it on 4th and 3 instead of kicking a tying FG.

At least it wasn't like 2009, when we beat both Wheaton and NCC and lost our homecoming game to Millikin!  When I was in school 40+ years ago, Millikin was THE rival.  I sense that that is no longer true from the IWU end, but also sense that it is still true from the Big Blue end.  That can make for some confounding games.   (Perhaps somewhat similar to when NPU finally caught you in men's soccer! )

As long as IWU doesn't come apart against Carthage or Augie, we should still be among the first Pool Cs.  I agree with USee that as long as we get out of your way early, Wheaton (IF they beat NCC, a big if) should still be pretty safe as a Pool C also.

[Top Notch]

LC vs McMurry will be a big one this week. Got playoff implications on the line. Can't ask for more than that in the last 2 weeks of the regular season.

[hazzben]

Lewis and Clark won a big one for the NWC.  (If L&C beats Willamette next week, how about a Lewis & Clark at Cal Lu and Redlands at Linfield west coast bracket?)

As unjust as it might seem, it could just as easily be L&C v. Linfield and Redlands v. Cal Lu to save a flight.

[Ralph Turner]

Lewis and Clark won a big one for the NWC.  (If L&C beats Willamette next week, how about a Lewis & Clark at Cal Lu and Redlands at Linfield west coast bracket?)

As unjust as it might seem, it could just as easily be L&C v. Linfield and Redlands v. Cal Lu to save a flight.

...to save 2 flights in the first round. But guaranteed a flight in the second round.

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks to UW-La Crosse for their 30-24 OT win over UW-Oshkosh.

UWL missed a 19-yd FG with 0:02 left.  UWO was offsides.  UWL then had the second attempt blocked!

UWO missed the FG in OT. UWL scored the TD!

[USee]

Although I doubt it will happen, it wouldn't be a stretch for Wheaton to end up ranked ahead of IWU in the regional rankings if they were to beat NCC. obviously the 3 teams would have won vs each other so one of the 3 teams will have to be ranked ahead of the others and would have suffered a loss. It's not a foregone conclusion that NCC will be ranked ahead of IWU or Wheaton if Wheaton should win next week. If Wheaton beats NCC in Naperville and then handles Millikin in the finale, you could  see Wheaton as the highest rated Pool C team in the North. Again, very big IF's as I am not sure anyone is going to beat NCC this year.

[Frank Rossi]

Conferences with potential for one-loss runners-up for Pool C (Updated 10:47pm 10/29/11):

(A) CCIW – High potential of Pool C at 1 loss since 3 teams tied with 1 loss and only one H2H left

(A) MWC – Illinois College must win remaining game

(A) NWC – Loser of Linfield/Lewis and Clark must win other remaining game

(A) SCAC – Trinity and Centre both undefeated, loser of H2H must win other game

(B) IND/Pool B – Wesley and Case must both run table

(B) MAC – If DelVal runs table, no 1-loss runner-up.  DelVal still plays 2 games vs. 1-loss MAC teams

(B) MIAC – St. Olaf must run table

(B) NEFC – WNEC and Endicott must run table

(B) SCIAC – Redlands must run table

(C) ASC – McMurry win vs. LA College would likely foreclose 1-loss runner-up possibility (Note: 1 McMurry loss vs. Non-D3 opponent)

(C) MIAA – Adrian must run table

(C) NCAC – Wittenberg must beat Wabash

(D) OAC – Baldwin-Wallace must beat Mount Union for runner-up 1-loss team

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(F) CC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) E8 – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) ECFC – Impossible for runner-up to have 1 loss (Note that Maritime's OOC loss was out of division)

(F) HCAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) IIAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) LL – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) NATHC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) NJAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) ODAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) PAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) UMAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) USAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

(F) WIAC – Impossible for runner-up 1-loss team

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Conf        Team                       Record (conf) Region    Conf Deciding Games
ASC:  Louisiana College   7-1 (5-1) 6-1    (none)
CCIW: Illinois Wesleyan   7-1 (4-1) 7-1    (none)
      Wheaton             7-1 (4-1) 7-1    (@ North Central)
MAC:* Delaware Valley     8-0 (6-0) 8-0    (@ Lycoming, vs Widener)
      Widener             8-1 (6-1) 8-1    (@ Del Val)
      Lycoming            7-1 (5-1) 7-1    (vs Del Val)
MIAA: Adrian              7-1 (3-1) 6-1    (none)
MIAC: St Olaf             7-1 (5-1) 7-1    (none)
MWC:  Illinois College    8-1 (7-1) 8-1    (none)
NCAC: Wabash              8-0 (5-0) 7-0    (vs Wittenberg)
NEFC: Endicott            8-1 (6-1) 8-1    (none)
NWC:* Linfield            7-0 (4-0) 6-0    (vs Lewis & Clark)
      Lewis & Clark       7-0 (4-0) 7-0    (@ Linfield)
OAC:  Mount Union         8-0 (7-0) 7-0    (vs Baldwin-Wallace)
SCAC:*Trinity (TX)        8-0 (4-0) 8-0    (vs Centre)
      Centre              7-0 (4-0) 7-0    (@Trinity)
SCIAC Redlands            6-1 (4-1) 6-1    (none)

Pool B *
      Wesley              7-1       4-1
      Case Western Reserve 7-1      7-0

CC:   None
E8:   None
ECFC: None
HCAC: None
IIAC: None
LL:   None
NAthC None
NJAC: None
ODAC: None
PAC:  None
UMAC: None
USAC: None
WIAC: None

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks FCGG. Can you add the in-region record to the list?