Pool C -- 2011

[smedindy]

I could see CLU 5, Redlands 6, McMurry 7. But it all comes out in the wash. 

[Frank Rossi]

#1 Seeds as stated by Committee Chairman

1. UWW
2. Mount Union
3. MHB
4. Delaware Valley

Here's the best guess I have as to seeds with Pool C in bold. The MHB bracket is still screwy but it's the best I could come up with at least until the two halves play in the quarterfinals

1 UW-Whitewater (10-0)                1 Mary Hardin-Baylor (10-0)
8 Albion (6-4)                        7 Redlands (8-1)
4 Franklin (9-1)                      3 Trinity, Texas (10-0)
5 Thomas More (9-1)                   5 McMurry (8-2)
3 Kean (9-1)                          2 Linfield (9-0)
6 Christopher Newport (8-2)           6 Cal Lutheran (8-1)
2 Salisbury (9-1)                     4 Wesley (9-1)
7 Western New England (10-1)          8 Hobart (7-1)

2 St. Thomas (10-0)                   2 Wabash (10-0)
7 St. Scholastica (10-0)              7 Illinois College (9-1)
3 Illinois Wesleyan (9-1)          3 North Central (9-1)
6 Monmouth (9-1)                      6 Dubuque (9-1)
4 Johns Hopkins (10-0)                4 Centre (8-1)
5 St. John Fisher (8-2)            5 Hampden-Sydney (8-2)
1 Delaware Valley (10-0)              1 Mount Union (10-0)
8 Norwich (7-3)                       8 Benedictine (7-3)

I don't think Hobart could be ranked lower than SJF based on the head-to-head victory by Hobart and better winning percentage.  Note the matchups (SJF vs. good undefeated; Hobart vs. good 1-loss).  I know you can't necessarily rank across mini-brackets like that, but I don't think it looks quite right at this point.

[Upstate]

#1 Seeds as stated by Committee Chairman

1. UWW
2. Mount Union
3. MHB
4. Delaware Valley

Here's the best guess I have as to seeds with Pool C in bold. The MHB bracket is still screwy but it's the best I could come up with at least until the two halves play in the quarterfinals

1 UW-Whitewater (10-0)                1 Mary Hardin-Baylor (10-0)
8 Albion (6-4)                        7 Redlands (8-1)
4 Franklin (9-1)                      3 Trinity, Texas (10-0)
5 Thomas More (9-1)                   5 McMurry (8-2)
3 Kean (9-1)                          2 Linfield (9-0)
6 Christopher Newport (8-2)           6 Cal Lutheran (8-1)
2 Salisbury (9-1)                     4 Wesley (9-1)
7 Western New England (10-1)          8 Hobart (7-1)

2 St. Thomas (10-0)                   2 Wabash (10-0)
7 St. Scholastica (10-0)              7 Illinois College (9-1)
3 Illinois Wesleyan (9-1)          3 North Central (9-1)
6 Monmouth (9-1)                      6 Dubuque (9-1)
4 Johns Hopkins (10-0)                4 Centre (8-1)
5 St. John Fisher (8-2)            5 Hampden-Sydney (8-2)
1 Delaware Valley (10-0)              1 Mount Union (10-0)
8 Norwich (7-3)                       8 Benedictine (7-3)

I don't think Hobart could be ranked lower than SJF based on the head-to-head victory by Hobart and better winning percentage.  Note the matchups (SJF vs. good undefeated; Hobart vs. good 1-loss).  I know you can't necessarily rank across mini-brackets like that, but I don't think it looks quite right at this point.

Bart drew Wesley, I'm pretty sure they're seeded lower...

Tell Hobart to schedule some games...

[smedindy]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

[Frank Rossi]

Wesley was #3 or 4 in the last regional rankings.  Thus, they aren't a 2-seed now.  Hopkins was a 2-seed in the same region.  And SJF lost to Hobart by 36.  And Hobart had a 7-1 record, not 8-2.  So, there's no evidence that backs that type of seeding.

[Frank Rossi]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

No, they lost a game because Widener backed out.  Ironically, Wesley was a team that offered to fill in the gap.  Hobart passed up the chance... only to see them now in the First Round...

[Pat Coleman]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

Hobart only had eight games scheduled. They played every game on their schedule.

To clarify, Widener backed out because their conference expanded.

[wesleydad]

believe the seeds in the umhb bracket are
umhb
wesley
linfield
trinity
mcmurray
cal luth
hobart
redlands
or at least that is what it looks like based on the front page info and position in the bracket with the outside in method.

[smedindy]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

Hobart only had eight games scheduled. They played every game on their schedule.

To clarify, Widener backed out because their conference expanded.

My bad, I thought they lost a game because of weather.

[Frank Rossi]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

Hobart only had eight games scheduled. They played every game on their schedule.

To clarify, Widener backed out because their conference expanded.

To clarify further, Widener backed out of the two-year agreement in Year 1 of it.  The conference expansion technically doesn't affect them until 2012 with the mandated PAC/MAC and NJAC/MAC challenges.  They just didn't want a situation without reciprocity as an option and backed out, if my information is correct here.  They ended up played Thiel that week in accordance with the PAC/MAC challenge.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I don't think Hobart could be ranked lower than SJF based on the head-to-head victory by Hobart and better winning percentage.  Note the matchups (SJF vs. good undefeated; Hobart vs. good 1-loss).  I know you can't necessarily rank across mini-brackets like that, but I don't think it looks quite right at this point.

I didn't even try to compare seeds in one bracket to seeds in another. I'll be honest, I probably didn't look quite as close as I should at the other three regions (SJF could be between 5 and 7 but they're certainly ahead of 8 seed Norwich) but to me it looked like Hobart was the lowest seeded team in their bracket. I feel good at least about the order of the 4 teams in each mini-bracket so that would take care of things through the first two rounds.

[Pat Coleman]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

Hobart only had eight games scheduled. They played every game on their schedule.

To clarify, Widener backed out because their conference expanded.

To clarify further, Widener backed out of the two-year agreement in Year 1 of it.  The conference expansion technically doesn't affect them until 2012 with the mandated PAC/MAC and NJAC/MAC challenges.  They just didn't want a situation without reciprocity as an option and backed out, if my information is correct here.  They ended up played Thiel that week in accordance with the PAC/MAC challenge.

Stevenson created football this season. The PAC and NJAC challenges don't overlap, one replaces the other.

[Frank Rossi]

To be fair, they lost one game because of the flood. And most of the LL only schedule nine games, which is certainly not unusual and may be an institutional decision.

Hobart only had eight games scheduled. They played every game on their schedule.

To clarify, Widener backed out because their conference expanded.

To clarify further, Widener backed out of the two-year agreement in Year 1 of it.  The conference expansion technically doesn't affect them until 2012 with the mandated PAC/MAC and NJAC/MAC challenges.  They just didn't want a situation without reciprocity as an option and backed out, if my information is correct here.  They ended up played Thiel that week in accordance with the PAC/MAC challenge.

Stevenson created football this season. The PAC and NJAC challenges don't overlap, one replaces the other.

That's been known for a couple years, though.  So why would it have suddenly affected the game earlier this year?

[Pat Coleman]

Not to re-relive this irrelevant argument here but it apparently wasn't sudden or late.

[pumkinattack]

It's because our AD is the most incompetent person alive (2000, not filing for a second round home game because they didn't think they'd make it, having to move a BB coach for messing around with a student, this clerical error that put us on probation last year, the DIII-DI fiasco and improperly firing two lacrosse coaches, etc).  It really stinks for the kids that Hanna's fired many people, but is somehow immune despite his inept behavior.  Widener was on the schedule until June or July and then they backed out.  There were some opportunities (at least a one off with Widener) and I haven't heard a real answer why that/those weren't accepted, but for a decade, kids have been suffering because we have someone who proved the Peter principal incorrect by making it above where he should have stopped with his pay grade. 

I'm just glad to see a new team in a different region against a top team and the chance to fly across the country in round two.  I may even drive to Dover from Atlanta after work on Friday.  It's crazy, but the cheapest flight on short notice to DC or Baltimore is over $500 that I was seeing and I have a fairly fuel efficient car.   But it is funny to see Fisher folks come out of the woodworks now.  I'll love their revisionist history if they can pull off a win in a matchup that almost everyone would think is an easier one against the CC champ.