Pool C -- 2011

[Upstate]

It's because our AD is the most incompetent person alive (2000, not filing for a second round home game because they didn't think they'd make it, having to move a BB coach for messing around with a student, this clerical error that put us on probation last year, the DIII-DI fiasco and improperly firing two lacrosse coaches, etc).  It really stinks for the kids that Hanna's fired many people, but is somehow immune despite his inept behavior.  Widener was on the schedule until June or July and then they backed out.  There were some opportunities (at least a one off with Widener) and I haven't heard a real answer why that/those weren't accepted, but for a decade, kids have been suffering because we have someone who proved the Peter principal incorrect by making it above where he should have stopped with his pay grade. 

I'm just glad to see a new team in a different region against a top team and the chance to fly across the country in round two.  I may even drive to Dover from Atlanta after work on Friday.  It's crazy, but the cheapest flight on short notice to DC or Baltimore is over $500 that I was seeing and I have a fairly fuel efficient car.   But it is funny to see Fisher folks come out of the woodworks now.  I'll love their revisionist history if they can pull off a win in a matchup that almost everyone would think is an easier one against the CC champ.

Have fun playing a team you ducked in the regular season...

[pumkinattack]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names? 

[Upstate]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

[smedindy]

At any rate, both are in the playoffs and this trite yammerin' can stop with victories. 

[HSCTiger74]

At any rate, both are in the playoffs and this trite yammerin' can stop with victories. 

Why wait for victories? Why not now?

[Mr. Ypsi]

The Big Ten (for obvious reasons) has dropped 'Paterno' from their championship trophy name; it will now just be the "Stagg Championship Trophy".

Can d3 sue for copyright infringement?!

[Ralph Turner]

The Big Ten (for obvious reasons) has dropped 'Paterno' from their championship trophy name; it will now just be the "Stagg Championship Trophy".

Can d3 sue for copyright infringement?!

I was thinking what right does the Big Ten have to use Stagg.

Stagg's school had philosophical differences with the role of football in the academic institution, anyway!

Hayes-Schembechler-Fry-Corso might be more appropriate. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

The Big Ten (for obvious reasons) has dropped 'Paterno' from their championship trophy name; it will now just be the "Stagg Championship Trophy".

Can d3 sue for copyright infringement?!

I was thinking what right does the Big Ten have to use Stagg.

Stagg's school had philosophical differences with the role of football in the academic institution, anyway!

Hayes-Schembechler-Fry-Corso might be more appropriate. 

When Amos Alonzo Stagg coached U of Chicago, they were members of the Big Ten (then the Western Conference), so Stagg Championship Trophy DOES make sense.  Though personally I would have preferred The Bo-Woody Cup (last names totally unnecessary)!

[Frank Rossi]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

For the eighth time, there is no evidence that this is true.  Heading into the weekend, Hopkins was higher ranked in the South than Wesley.  There was not much that should have changed this fact from this past weekend.  St. John Fisher actually got bracketed against a tougher team, according to the regional subcommittee's rankings.  Thus, regardless of numerical seeds, Fisher got a tougher overall draw from everything we have seen.

[Upstate]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

For the eighth time, there is no evidence that this is true.  Heading into the weekend, Hopkins was higher ranked in the South than Wesley.  There was not much that should have changed this fact from this past weekend.  St. John Fisher actually got bracketed against a tougher team, according to the regional subcommittee's rankings.  Thus, regardless of numerical seeds, Fisher got a tougher overall draw from everything we have seen.

Did you listen to the podcast this week?

They discussed the topic and Pat & Keith seem to think along the same way as my post.

[Pat Coleman]

We do think the same way as you, Time. But our rankings disagree with the NCAA's, too. It's pretty good in terms of irony regardless.

[Frank Rossi]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

For the eighth time, there is no evidence that this is true.  Heading into the weekend, Hopkins was higher ranked in the South than Wesley.  There was not much that should have changed this fact from this past weekend.  St. John Fisher actually got bracketed against a tougher team, according to the regional subcommittee's rankings.  Thus, regardless of numerical seeds, Fisher got a tougher overall draw from everything we have seen.

Did you listen to the podcast this week?

They discussed the topic and Pat & Keith seem to think along the same way as my post.

Yes, and as I've been discussing with Pat, we just aren't sure.  We agree that the brackets may not represent orderings that might be conventional (i.e., where you usually place a #2 seed).  The other thing that doesn't jive is Linfield's presence in that bracket.  Wouldn't Linfield be the #2?  I think Hobart was a 5/6 (depending on Cal Lute's position -- which can't be ascertained since the travel scenario dictated this matchup, not the actual seeding).  I think JHU was a 2/3 and SJF was a 6/7.  So, at best, they were identical seeds -- but I'm leaning toward Hobart being one spot ahead of SJF in the seedings.

[Upstate]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

For the eighth time, there is no evidence that this is true.  Heading into the weekend, Hopkins was higher ranked in the South than Wesley.  There was not much that should have changed this fact from this past weekend.  St. John Fisher actually got bracketed against a tougher team, according to the regional subcommittee's rankings.  Thus, regardless of numerical seeds, Fisher got a tougher overall draw from everything we have seen.

Did you listen to the podcast this week?

They discussed the topic and Pat & Keith seem to think along the same way as my post.

Yes, and as I've been discussing with Pat, we just aren't sure.  We agree that the brackets may not represent orderings that might be conventional (i.e., where you usually place a #2 seed).  The other thing that doesn't jive is Linfield's presence in that bracket.  Wouldn't Linfield be the #2?  I think Hobart was a 5/6 (depending on Cal Lute's position -- which can't be ascertained since the travel scenario dictated this matchup, not the actual seeding).  I think JHU was a 2/3 and SJF was a 6/7.  So, at best, they were identical seeds -- but I'm leaning toward Hobart being one spot ahead of SJF in the seedings.

Or we can just call a spade, a spade and say Hobart was punished for ducking teams and not playing a full schedule...

But that wouldn't look too good for the LL now would it???

[Frank Rossi]

I will and am glad we earned our way in by winning our conference as well. 

By the way, what is it about St John Fisher posters that they disappear upset and come back under different names?

You won your conference and are still seeded lower than SJF.

How did that work out for you?

The funny part is that you don't have 21 days to prepare for Wesley, have fun losing by 40.

For the eighth time, there is no evidence that this is true.  Heading into the weekend, Hopkins was higher ranked in the South than Wesley.  There was not much that should have changed this fact from this past weekend.  St. John Fisher actually got bracketed against a tougher team, according to the regional subcommittee's rankings.  Thus, regardless of numerical seeds, Fisher got a tougher overall draw from everything we have seen.

Did you listen to the podcast this week?

They discussed the topic and Pat & Keith seem to think along the same way as my post.

Yes, and as I've been discussing with Pat, we just aren't sure.  We agree that the brackets may not represent orderings that might be conventional (i.e., where you usually place a #2 seed).  The other thing that doesn't jive is Linfield's presence in that bracket.  Wouldn't Linfield be the #2?  I think Hobart was a 5/6 (depending on Cal Lute's position -- which can't be ascertained since the travel scenario dictated this matchup, not the actual seeding).  I think JHU was a 2/3 and SJF was a 6/7.  So, at best, they were identical seeds -- but I'm leaning toward Hobart being one spot ahead of SJF in the seedings.

Or we can just call a spade, a spade and say Hobart was punished for ducking teams and not playing a full schedule...

But that wouldn't look too good for the LL now would it???

The question of Hobart's schedule was addressed in the interview last night.

[smedindy]

And unless you have concrete proof of 'ducking' then it's not fair, right or just to accuse a team of it. Scheduling is hard at best and difficult at worst. I'm really disappointed with intelligent fans accusing other teams of ducking teams without regard to travel costs, conference schedules, other schedules and rivalries.

To me it's antagonistic (or sour grapes) and doesn't move forward a relevant discussion of Pool C, of which there are several things to discuss.

To wit:

Illinois College's schedule may not have been the best. They did schedule a natural CCIW opponent, but their conference is weak. I don't think Wheaton would be a natural opponent for them in any year, and when they scheduled Millikin they probably thought they needed that game to prep for Monmouth which realistically would have been the only way to make the playoffs. And Millikin is just down Route 36 from them.