Pool C -- 2011

[USee]

Doesn't mean that the CCIW will be looked down upon. And give Monmouth credit, please. They won the game.

Winning road games in the playoffs is a rare accomplishment. Monmouth deserves credit. My point is simply the CCIW may not be as good as I thought they were. It's not a statement game and certainly won't reorder the collective thinking about the CCIW. It's just a data point but an important one for me. 

[jam40jeff]

When you get that far down in the football playoff decision-making process, the secondary criteria and overall record against Division III teams is more important than regional record.

So the primary criteria becomes less important than the secondary criteria?  That makes no sense.  It says right in the selection process that the secondary criteria should only be used if the primary criteria doesn't provide a clear conclusion.

By the way, IC sure didn't give Wabash a very good game.  Oberlin, Wooster, and Allegheny all tested Wabash better than they did.

[Ralph Turner]

When you get that far down in the football playoff decision-making process, the secondary criteria and overall record against Division III teams is more important than regional record.

So the primary criteria becomes less important than the secondary criteria?  That makes no sense.  It says right in the selection process that the secondary criteria should only be used if the primary criteria doesn't provide a clear conclusion.

By the way, IC sure didn't give Wabash a very good game.  Oberlin, Wooster, and Allegheny all tested Wabash better than they did.

No, when primary critieria (plural) are determined to be "a wash", then you move to secondary criteria as a tie-breaker.

The CCIW Pool C bid, a team that beat Wheaton in the regular season, did not show very favorably yesterday.  They lost at home to the winner of Illinois College's conference.

As for me, the UAA is a weird bird.  They manage to get plenty of Pool B and C bids in baseball by very judicious scheduling.

For me, Case versus Rochester is basically a "in-region" game. It was an "in-region contest" in soccer and volleyball this fall.

I was surprised by that Illinois College got the Pool C bid.

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

[Ron Boerger]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

[Ralph Turner]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

Thanks for the karma.

In the world of "D-III football-playing peer institutions", the UAA aligned with the NCAC to fill schedules in the most recent seasons.

The SCAC is part of the UAA side of the "D-III/D-IV" debates from the last decade. Where else will the UAA teams find easy games in October and November?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Re: IWU/Monmouth.

The game went just as I feared it might.  Super QBs can make games weird (see: Chad Rupp vs. NCC, 2008 round two).  I still think IWU is overall the better team, but a 5th year All American QB is apt to come thru in crunch time (we contained him pretty well most of the game), while a sophomore first-year starter (who played VERY well all season) picked the worst possible time to look like the young QB he is.  Teams like UWW, UMU, NCC, etc., may be able to survive 5 TOs; we won't (and didn't).

IWU and Monmouth face each other in bball in a couple of days - I suspect revenge, big time!

[smedindy]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

Thanks for the karma.

In the world of "D-III football-playing peer institutions", the UAA aligned with the NCAC to fill schedules in the most recent seasons.

The SCAC is part of the UAA side of the "D-III/D-IV" debates from the last decade. Where else will the UAA teams find easy games in October and November?

"Easy" as in easy to schedule amongst institutions with similar academic rigor?

[Ralph Turner]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

Thanks for the karma.

In the world of "D-III football-playing peer institutions", the UAA aligned with the NCAC to fill schedules in the most recent seasons.

The SCAC is part of the UAA side of the "D-III/D-IV" debates from the last decade. Where else will the UAA teams find easy games in October and November?

"Easy" as in easy to schedule amongst institutions with similar academic rigor?

Thanks, smed!

In your opinion, what schools are of "similar academic rigor" that would be under consideration by the UAA for a single sport affiliation after the NCAC moves to its new schedule?   

The fact that they considered the NCAC of similar academic rigor opens to the door. (Or lowers the bar?)

[smedindy]

I think the SCAC fits right in where the NCAC left off.

[jam40jeff]

The CCIW Pool C bid, a team that beat Wheaton in the regular season, did not show very favorably yesterday.  They lost at home to the winner of Illinois College's conference.

So?  Monmouth, IWU, Wheaton were all competitive.  IC wasn't competitive with Monmouth.

[ADL70]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

Thanks for the karma.

In the world of "D-III football-playing peer institutions", the UAA aligned with the NCAC to fill schedules in the most recent seasons.

The SCAC is part of the UAA side of the "D-III/D-IV" debates from the last decade. Where else will the UAA teams find easy games in October and November?

"Easy" as in easy to schedule amongst institutions with similar academic rigor?

A UAA-SCAC match-up for football only makes a lot of sense, but geography is a draw back.

With Austin and one or two brand-new programs, the competition would be relatively easy as well.

[Ralph Turner]

I hope that the UAA and the SCAC will affiliate to get a Pool A bid.  The SCAC might have 4 teams  (Trinity, Southwestern, Austin College and Centenary LA) by the time that an agreement might be reached.

From your lips to the ears of the leaders of the UAA.   +1

Thanks for the karma.

In the world of "D-III football-playing peer institutions", the UAA aligned with the NCAC to fill schedules in the most recent seasons.

The SCAC is part of the UAA side of the "D-III/D-IV" debates from the last decade. Where else will the UAA teams find easy games in October and November?

"Easy" as in easy to schedule amongst institutions with similar academic rigor?

A UAA-SCAC match-up for football only makes a lot of sense, but geography is a draw back.

With Austin and one or two brand-new programs, the competition would be relatively easy as well.

The CCIW Pool C bid, a team that beat Wheaton in the regular season, did not show very favorably yesterday.  They lost at home to the winner of Illinois College's conference.

So?  Monmouth, IWU, Wheaton were all competitive.  IC wasn't competitive with Monmouth.

Travel will be easy plane flights...

Austin College is 1 hour north of DFW airport.

Trinity is in San Antonio.

Southwestern is 30 minutes north of Austin and 2 hours north of San Antonio.

If Centenary adds football, then they are three hours from DFW, but has connections with American Continental and Delta.

[Ralph Turner]

The CCIW Pool C bid, a team that beat Wheaton in the regular season, did not show very favorably yesterday.  They lost at home to the winner of Illinois College's conference.

So?  Monmouth, IWU, Wheaton were all competitive.  IC wasn't competitive with Monmouth.

Thanks for the comment.   
With what is on the table at that time, I can understand the comment.

I look at the body of work that Case did against the UAA and the NCAC schools and compare with the teams that were not even under consideration because they were in a "logjam" of great schools in the South Region.

I would put Huntingdon (which beat Wittenberg by 18 and Hampden-Sydney by 7 and lost to Trinity by 17), Birmingham Southern (Lost to Centre and Trinity), Hardin-Simmons (beat IowaIAC co-runnerup Coe and Willamette) and even Louisiana College head-to-head against anyone in the NCAC or the UAA.

UW-Oshkosh wishes that it had not stumped its toe against UW-Lacrosse.

I think that the criteria that deep into the playoffs leave you vulnerable.  If Case beats Rochester, then they are in, with little doubt.

[smedindy]

The CCIW Pool C bid, a team that beat Wheaton in the regular season, did not show very favorably yesterday.  They lost at home to the winner of Illinois College's conference.

So?  Monmouth, IWU, Wheaton were all competitive.  IC wasn't competitive with Monmouth.

That's mind-set. I compare it to when Wabash joined the NCAC. Witt was the top dog and Wabash was a little intimidated by them UNTIL we beat them. Then, forget it. They could be beaten.

If IC beats Monmouth this year, that will take the intimidation factor away.

[smedindy]

The UAA is used to travel in every other sport. i don't think adding football would be so rough. Besides, just sell another research project to the government to pay for it!