New Divsion I-FBS Playoff Proposition

[SUADC]

Found this online. It is a link for the proposal to the BCS Committee for a Playoff. Very interesting.
http://ncaa2012.com/ncaamcfd16teamplan2_merged.pdf

What are your thoughts?

I believe that what we do in Division III is awesome by allowing teams to show themselves worthy on the field and not by voters and media.

[WashedUp]

Where is this proposal coming from?

Some parts of this are good (playoff system), but the majority of it is awful, specifically the conference realignment and the restriction that non-conference games have to be in region and the whole ranking system.  I am not for eliminating rivalries and all that is good about the college football regular season.  Does this mean that Air Force will never play Army or Navy again because they aren't in region?  Or if Wisconsin and Minnesota got put in different conferences they couldn't play any more because Minnesota is considered a "patsy"?  Just two examples of rivals that seem to be forbidden to play each other under this system.

I would like to see a system similar to D3 instituted, where each of the 11 conferences gets an automatic bid, leaving 5 at-large bids which are selected as the 5 highest ranked teams that are not conference champions using the existing BCS formula.  This gives the high seeds an advantage by having easier early games, but keeps the sytem open to all teams.

This year's bracket would have looked something like this:

1 LSU vs. 16 Lousiana Tech
8 Kansas State vs. 9 Wisconsin

4 Stanford vs. 13 West Virginia
5 Oregon vs. 12 Southern Miss

6 Arkansas vs. 11 TCU
3 Oklahoma State vs. 14 Nothern Illinois

7 Boise St. vs. 10 Clemson
2 Alabama vs. 15 Arkansas State

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

I would like to see a system similar to D3 instituted, where each of the 11 conferences gets an automatic bid, leaving 5 at-large bids which are selected as the 5 highest ranked teams that are not conference champions using the existing BCS formula.  This gives the high seeds an advantage by having easier early games, but keeps the sytem open to all teams.

That's the exact system I've been in favor of for a few years now. And by keeping some of the remaining bowl games the other worthy teams still have a postseason game to look forward to (and it eliminates all the mediocre 6-6 teams playing each other)

[frank uible]

A game between 6-6 teams would be more interesting than LSU vs. Louisiana Tech.

[WashedUp]

A game between 6-6 teams would be more interesting than LSU vs. Louisiana Tech.

And a basketball match up between two bubble teams would be more interesting than a Ohio State vs. UT-San Antonio matchup, but I've never heard anyone complain about the Final Four.

[smedindy]

A game between 6-6 teams would be more interesting than LSU vs. Louisiana Tech.

Not necessarily. Sometimes there will be matchup issues that make the games compelling, just like the NCAA men's hoops tourney.

No matter what - every conference deserves a chance at the table just like D-3.

[SUADC]

Where is this proposal coming from?

Some parts of this are good (playoff system), but the majority of it is awful, specifically the conference realignment and the restriction that non-conference games have to be in region and the whole ranking system.  I am not for eliminating rivalries and all that is good about the college football regular season.  Does this mean that Air Force will never play Army or Navy again because they aren't in region?  Or if Wisconsin and Minnesota got put in different conferences they couldn't play any more because Minnesota is considered a "patsy"?  Just two examples of rivals that seem to be forbidden to play each other under this system.

I would like to see a system similar to D3 instituted, where each of the 11 conferences gets an automatic bid, leaving 5 at-large bids which are selected as the 5 highest ranked teams that are not conference champions using the existing BCS formula.  This gives the high seeds an advantage by having easier early games, but keeps the sytem open to all teams.

This year's bracket would have looked something like this:

1 LSU vs. 16 Lousiana Tech
8 Kansas State vs. 9 Wisconsin

4 Stanford vs. 13 West Virginia
5 Oregon vs. 12 Southern Miss

6 Arkansas vs. 11 TCU
3 Oklahoma State vs. 14 Nothern Illinois

7 Boise St. vs. 10 Clemson
2 Alabama vs. 15 Arkansas State

I believe if this bracket was in effect this year, LSU would more than likely make it to the champioship game. As far as Alabama, they would have a tougher road. I believe Boise St. would beat Clemson and that would introduce a great second round matchup between Alabama and Boise St. with Boise St. now gaining some credibility by playing two top notch teams in back-to-back weekends. Also, with a win by Boise St. would be great, but a close loss would not hurt either. Then you could see possibly TCU/Arkansas v Oklahoma State, I believe Arkansas would win because of TCU weak secondary. Nevertheless, Oklahoma State v Arkansas would be a great match up. To sum everything up, you might see three SEC teams in the final four, then we can honestly say they are the best conference, because they proved it in tournament play.

[K-Mack]

Which is basically how we do it here.

We had No. 1 play No. 2 in the title game and win by 3 points, with all of the excitement that goes with playoff games (Wabash/NCC, Kean-Salisbury, Wesley vs. everyone) and none of the consternation about whether the correct teams were playing, were ranked, etc.

I've given less thought to whether D-I should adopt a playoff model this year & last year than any previous year. I've lost interest in caring, and I've come to enjoy playoff football even more over that time. Especially with D-III sending UW-W on the road, mixing up the national brackets, etc.

If you take a big-picture view, the playoffs are awesome and there is no disputing whether the correct teams played for the championship. Win-win.

D-I will eventually make the move. I say by 2020.

[Teamski]

Am I the only one not interested the bowls this year?  I used to like them, but seeing Boise State annilate poor 6-6 Arizona State was just downright lame.  At 7th ranked, Boise was insulted with an ending to their season like that.  I could only imagine what the players and coaches felt:  "that was it?" After experiencing D3, I will never see the bowl system as being just.  It is getting pathetic.     There MUST be a playoff system at some point in the future. 

-Ski

[AO]

Am I the only one not interested the bowls this year?  I used to like them, but seeing Boise State annilate poor 6-6 Arizona State was just downright lame.  At 7th ranked, Boise was insulted with an ending to their season like that.  I could only imagine what the players and coaches felt:  "that was it?" After experiencing D3, I will never see the bowl system as being just.  It is getting pathetic.     There MUST be a playoff system at some point in the future. 

-Ski

I don't think Boise can complain.  They lost at home to a 2-loss TCU.  If they played in D3, maybe TCU wouldn't play Baylor and Boise wouldn't play Georgia and the Boise-TCU matchup wouldn't mean nearly as much as they'd both probably be just fighting for playoff seeding rather than playing in a do-or-die game.

[Teamski]

Am I the only one not interested the bowls this year?  I used to like them, but seeing Boise State annilate poor 6-6 Arizona State was just downright lame.  At 7th ranked, Boise was insulted with an ending to their season like that.  I could only imagine what the players and coaches felt:  "that was it?" After experiencing D3, I will never see the bowl system as being just.  It is getting pathetic.     There MUST be a playoff system at some point in the future. 

-Ski

I don't think Boise can complain.  They lost at home to a 2-loss TCU.  If they played in D3, maybe TCU wouldn't play Baylor and Boise wouldn't play Georgia and the Boise-TCU matchup wouldn't mean nearly as much as they'd both probably be just fighting for playoff seeding rather than playing in a do-or-die game.

The same could be said for Wesley being a single loss team, but they still made the semis......     The idea is that the bowl system is completely unfair to a load of really good teams that could vie for a legitimate championship.  The current system is a money making joke.

-Ski

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

And it's not even the schools that are the ones making the money... http://www.orangeandwhite.com/news/2011/dec/26/clemsons-issues-selling-orange-bowl-tickets-spotli/?print=1

[frank uible]

In my experience, justice usually is caused to take a seat far in back of cash.

[HScoach]

I would love to see an 8 team bracket in D1, with the games played at the higher seeded school up until the final.  I also think the current BCS calculation would be perfect to select the at-large teams to the D1 playoffs.  Take the champion of the major conferences as automatic qualifiers and then fill the bracket based on the BCS ranking.  It would reward the conference champs and allow someone with 1 loss to still have a chance.

IMHO, a D1 football playoff would be bigger than March Madness in terms of TV revenue.  Unfortunately what it is keeping it from occurring is the not the amount of money made by the bowls, but who gets the money.  Right now the BCS conferences get the $ from the big bowls.  If it goes to a NCAA sanctioned playoff, the money goes to the NCAA like it does from the basketball tournament.  That is what is killing the playoff discussion in D1.

[smedindy]

HSC - There are 11 conferences in D-1 and you can't exclude any of them to make it a legit tournament.