Are the Purple Powers bad for D3?

[FB24]

I am not saying Leadership Scholarships or talent scholarships are unique to DIII.  The fact that the Athletic Department at some schools can assign a certain number of leadership scholarships to each athletic program, I have never heard of before.  Usually all the financial aid and scholarships comes from the financial aid office and not the athletic office.  I have never heard of a DIII athletic Director being able to tell each head coach of thier program how many Leadership scholarships they have per year to give out.  And NOT ALL DIII SCHOOLS HAVE THESE SCHOLARSHIPS!  A lot of DIII schools are need based only and it never includes leadership or talent scholarships.  So unless all schools have the same types of scholarships, the playing field will always be uneven.  That was my point.  I wasn't saying these scholarships were new to DIII, it is the way they are being given out.  From what I understand of the DIII rule, the same opportunities and number of scholarships have to be given to students who do not partake in athletics, meaning that if Mount Union were to give out 30 leaderships scholarships to football alone, then 30 leadership scholarships have to be available to other students who are not athletes.  With all the varsity sports Mount Union offers and each program being assigned a number of scholarships to give out per year, roughly you are looking at 100 Leadership Scholarships per year just to athletics.  To justify that, Mount would have to give out 100 leadership scholarships to other students who are not athletes.  I guess all of Mount's and other schoosl financial aid offices only give out Leadership Scholarships and no other forms of Financial aid.  Where as a lot of other schools will give out merit financial aid or need based, meaning they only give out financial aid to students who need it.  Some of these leadership scholarships students get, they may not even need, which is why there is an uneven field, between schools who give out need based aid and those who just "buy" kids away from other schools

[badgerwarhawk]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study. 

[Jonny Utah]

You also have to consider help getting into the schools at the admissions office.  Do football players get help at any d3 schools?

[02 Warhawk]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

It's worth noting that this is offered to all students (whether they play athletics or not).

[AO]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

found one, though it's pretty small.
https://scholarships.uww.edu/detail.aspx?ID=81


The major "scholarships" at a public school come from the taxpayer. 

If a d3 school could afford to give out full leadership scholarships to their athletes, why not just move up to d1?

[ncc58]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

It's worth noting that this is offered to all students (whether they play athletics or not).

Well, I wouldn't say a majority of financial aid is work study at UWW, and UWW does give Talent Incentive scholarships. That may have been your experience (that a majority of your package was work study), but if it is true, the Financial Aid department is overstaffed.

Every student is required to file a FAFSA which calculates the expect contribution for a student. If a financial aid package exceeds what would be determined by the FAFSA, that would be a red flag. Let's say a player is recruited by UWW and UWSP. If one school offered a package significantly different (since the costs at the two schools are practically identical), I'm sure the coaches/recruiters would raise that as an issue.

The same would be true for UMU and ONU, just an example.

I don't think there is anything unusual going on with grants and scholarships. A coach may "offer" help in finding an on or off campus job. That's about it.

Neither UWW or UMU are leaving D-3. And,  I'm sure we'll be having this same discussion next year.

[FB24]

Why move up to D1 and be an average D1 team when you can be the dominant team in Division III?  Also in response to the post about most of the money at Whitewater is work study?  How can students afford to work that many hours to have most of thier aid package be from work study?  At most schools, work study money is capped so how can most of thier financial aid come from work study?  When do they go to class then?

Also, to the post about getting help from Admissions, that is a huge thing which separates a lot of Division III schools.  If you recall, Larry Kinnnard in the early 2000's was an OT for Mount.  He was declared Ineligible at Ohio State, but some how was eligible at Mount?  I recall or heard the same thing about Pierre Garcon.  He was ineligible at his previous school before coming to Mount Union?  It has happened at a lot of OAC schools.  How can this be?  If DIII is supposed to be about education and putting the true meaning in the value of Student-Athlete, than how is that possible?  Just a thought throwing out there

[02 Warhawk]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

found one, though it's pretty small.
https://scholarships.uww.edu/detail.aspx?ID=81


The major "scholarships" at a public school come from the taxpayer. 

If a d3 school could afford to give out full leadership scholarships to their athletes, why not just move up to d1?

Not sure many (if any) D3 schools can afford that...I know the WIAC can't

[Jonny Utah]

Why move up to D1 and be an average D1 team when you can be the dominant team in Division III?  Also in response to the post about most of the money at Whitewater is work study?  How can students afford to work that many hours to have most of thier aid package be from work study?  At most schools, work study money is capped so how can most of thier financial aid come from work study?  When do they go to class then?

Also, to the post about getting help from Admissions, that is a huge thing which separates a lot of Division III schools.  If you recall, Larry Kinnnard in the early 2000's was an OT for Mount.  He was declared Ineligible at Ohio State, but some how was eligible at Mount?  I recall or heard the same thing about Pierre Garcon.  He was ineligible at his previous school before coming to Mount Union?  It has happened at a lot of OAC schools.  How can this be?  If DIII is supposed to be about education and putting the true meaning in the value of Student-Athlete, than how is that possible?  Just a thought throwing out there

I don't think Pierre Garcon was ineligible, nor was he a bad student.  That is just what I've heard from some Norwich people.

[smedindy]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

found one, though it's pretty small.
https://scholarships.uww.edu/detail.aspx?ID=81


The major "scholarships" at a public school come from the taxpayer. 

If a d3 school could afford to give out full leadership scholarships to their athletes, why not just move up to d1?

Because they don't all go to athletes. They go to well-rounded students, who happen to be athletes, debaters, actors, scientists, musicians, etc. Mostly all rolled into one!

Wabash has Honors Scholarships, which is based on taking a test; Lilly Scholarship, which is a very rigorous process; and Presidential Scholarships based upon scholarship in high school.

Those scholarships do go to athletes. They also go to non-athletes. Do you understand the subtleties, AO?

[smedindy]

Also, at most public institutions, scholarships are funded through a foundation which is separate from the institution. In my career as a fundraiser, working with university foundations can be tricky because they need to be separate from the institution yet their fundraisers work exclusively for certain departments. I could go on for days about fundraising operations and such...but that's where most of the private scholarship money for public institutions originate.

[AO]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

found one, though it's pretty small.
https://scholarships.uww.edu/detail.aspx?ID=81


The major "scholarships" at a public school come from the taxpayer. 

If a d3 school could afford to give out full leadership scholarships to their athletes, why not just move up to d1?

Because they don't all go to athletes. They go to well-rounded students, who happen to be athletes, debaters, actors, scientists, musicians, etc. Mostly all rolled into one!

Wabash has Honors Scholarships, which is based on taking a test; Lilly Scholarship, which is a very rigorous process; and Presidential Scholarships based upon scholarship in high school.

Those scholarships do go to athletes. They also go to non-athletes. Do you understand the subtleties, AO?

Merely pointing out the obvious.  If a school was motivated enough to win that they would try to cheat by offering large leadership scholarships only to their athletes, they would likely also have the money/desire to get the recognition from winning on a higher level.  There isn't much financial incentive to win in d3.

[AO]

Also, at most public institutions, scholarships are funded through a foundation which is separate from the institution. In my career as a fundraiser, working with university foundations can be tricky because they need to be separate from the institution yet their fundraisers work exclusively for certain departments. I could go on for days about fundraising operations and such...but that's where most of the private scholarship money for public institutions originate.

I was referring to the taxpayer money given to the public universities, not the private donations.  The hundreds of millions that the state gives to UW-Whitewater and Oshkosh every year and not Mount or St. Thomas.

[Jonny Utah]

UW-WHITEWATER does not give out "leadership" scholarships.  Most financial aide is need based and the majority of it is work-study.

found one, though it's pretty small.
https://scholarships.uww.edu/detail.aspx?ID=81


The major "scholarships" at a public school come from the taxpayer. 

If a d3 school could afford to give out full leadership scholarships to their athletes, why not just move up to d1?

There are many schools that can afford to give out full rides to athletes.  But a part of being a d3 school is that you want your athletes to be the same as the general student body (except in a little better shape).  D1 schools accept the fact that their scholorship athletes wouldn't be at those schools if they weren't athletes.  Those athletes make some of the school money, and those athletes are what the alumni want to see at the school.  Different culture basically.

[TheSultan]

There.