Are the Purple Powers bad for D3?

[badgerwarhawk]

I believe UWW's AD Paul Plinske is on record as saying, "We want to provide our football players, student body, and fans with a Division I experience."  And, with that statement we know that the old DIII justification for football as an educational experience that promotes the values of fair competition and good sportsmanship are no longer of primary importance at UWW.   Winning is the name of their game, and to maintain a winning edge money becomes the difference-maker, money that builds and maintains state-of-the-art weight rooms, locker rooms, FieldTurf, Jumbotrons, and stadia.   At UWO, for example, every sport had its budget cut while football received a slight increase in these tough budgetary times.  Is Oshkosh's goal a better educational experience for their players?  Or, a more competitive team for their students, fans, and alumni to rally around? I believe the two goals are mutually exclusive.  Does anyone doubt that there is an almost perfect correlation between a team's rank in conference and its rank in terms of financial and physical resources?  Perhaps the idea of a Division IV should start to become more than just talk.   

Bulls**t

You don't have a clue what he meant.     
 

[bushman]

Good or bad people, it is what it is, deal with it.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

This discussion reminds me of when Dayton and Wagner used to be Division III.   I don't know whose idea it was for them to leave, but should they have gone off and formed their own division or were they just setting a high standard that the rest of D3 should have aimed for?

[smedindy]

The NCAA mandated, except for few exceptions (and not football or hoops) that if you're D-1 in something you're D-1 in everything. That's why Dayton and Wagner left.

[HScoach]

Dayton was fielding a D3 football team with a bunch of scholarship track guys.  Not technically football scholarships, but quite interesting that all if their key playoffs just happened to be track recruits.  Hence the "Dayton Rule".

[middlerelief]

So we should be suspicious because Mt. Union was a fair-to-middling OAC team before 1990 or so?

There's a difference - with MUC there was a build up of success prior to the championship run. They had made the NCAAs prior but couldn't get past Aug. - once they did, then the run happened.

[Knightstalker]

Was UWW helped with the funding for their facilities by the Packers?  I know Cortland, SJF and FDU Florham Park all benefited from having NFL teams using their facilities for training camps.  Just curious.

[smedindy]

Dayton was fielding a D3 football team with a bunch of scholarship track guys.  Not technically football scholarships, but quite interesting that all if their key playoffs just happened to be track recruits.  Hence the "Dayton Rule".

Was that proven? I used to work with a Dayton alum that denied that happened. Plus it doesn't explain Wagner, or San Diego, or Georgetown, etc. etc.

You can only have 12.6 men's track and cross country scholarships so that's not many to go around at all.

[badgerwarhawk]

No

I know the Chiefs built something in River Falls when they held their camp there.  Platteville hosted the Bears though I don't know if the Bears ever built anything there.  Concordia (I think) has hosted the Rams though I don't know that the Rams built anything there.  I'm thinking that at one time, the Packers aside, there was one more NFL franchise in Wisconsin.  Maybe LaCrosse??

WHITEWATER has never hosted an NFL team. 

[Gregory Sager]

I'm thinking that at one time, the Packers aside, there was one more NFL franchise in Wisconsin.  Maybe LaCrosse??

Kenosha Maroons (1924)
Milwaukee Badgers (1922-26)
Racine Legion (1922-24)
Racine Tornadoes (1926)

[badgerwarhawk]

I was thinking of another NFL franchise that held their preseason camp in Wisconsin.  Didn't make that very clear.

[frank uible]

I have always wondered how, given the transportation of the times, in 1925 Johnny Blood managed to get timely from the St. John's game sites on Saturdays to the Milwaukee Badgers game sites on Sundays. Maybe mostly overnight travel by train.

[Knightstalker]

No

I know the Chiefs built something in River Falls when they held their camp there.  Platteville hosted the Bears though I don't know if the Bears ever built anything there.  Concordia (I think) has hosted the Rams though I don't know that the Rams built anything there.  I'm thinking that at one time, the Packers aside, there was one more NFL franchise in Wisconsin.  Maybe LaCrosse??

WHITEWATER has never hosted an NFL team.

Thank you, for some reason I thought the Packers trained at Whitewater.

[jknezek]

I believe UWW's AD Paul Plinske is on record as saying, "We want to provide our football players, student body, and fans with a Division I experience." 

Can anyone find this quote in an article or somewhere? I'd be interested in the greater context.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

I think the Chiefs, Saints and Bears all used to host pre-season camps in WI.

Bears at Platteville but I don't remember where the others went.

The Browns used to host theirs at Baldwin-Wallace, and I remember playing JV football at Mount vs. BW and being in the old Browns Locker-room, with the huge lockers.  I don't know what else the Browns did for BW though.