BB: Top Teams in West Region

[CrashDavisD3]

Not the SOS that D3/NCAA will use in Regional Rankings but definitely another view of a team.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

[OshDude]

From a SOS perspective it will help to have TLU joining the conference as now it will have 3 top flight teams with TU, TLU and Centennary. Their gain and the ASC loss. The ASC is also going to loose Mississippi College which is going the D-2 route. The ASC west will be much weaker than it has been in the past as McMurry left this year. The East will still be pretty solid with UTT, UTD and Louisiana College. The top two in the west will likely be Concordia and Hardin Simmons.  The rest of the teams in the east and west have not been among the leaders the past several years. So the ASC teams will have to go outside the conference to keep a decent SOS.

This week's Around the Nation points out that ASC nonconference schedules will be limited in the near future.

[OshDude]

Not the SOS that D3/NCAA will use in Regional Rankings but definitely another view of a team.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Interesting that my alma mater, a ranked team no less, didn't even make the list.

[Ralph Turner]

From a SOS perspective it will help to have TLU joining the conference as now it will have 3 top flight teams with TU, TLU and Centennary. Their gain and the ASC loss. The ASC is also going to loose Mississippi College which is going the D-2 route. The ASC west will be much weaker than it has been in the past as McMurry left this year. The East will still be pretty solid with UTT, UTD and Louisiana College. The top two in the west will likely be Concordia and Hardin Simmons.  The rest of the teams in the east and west have not been among the leaders the past several years. So the ASC teams will have to go outside the conference to keep a decent SOS.

This week's Around the Nation points out that ASC nonconference schedules will be limited in the near future.

I haven't read a secret draft of your ATN, but I bet that I know where 30 ASC conference games are coming from!  Starting about the 7th-8th of February.

If that knocks out the Arizona tournament, then that will really hurt the conference!

[CrashDavisD3]

Can we expect teams to go to MORE conference games to meet the 2014 changes.. SCIAC teams in 2013 will play 28 conference games PLUS Top 4 will play more games in their SCIAC conference tournament.

[OshDude]

Can we expect teams to go to MORE conference games to meet the 2014 changes.. SCIAC teams in 2013 will play 28 conference games PLUS Top 4 will play more games in their SCIAC conference tournament.

28 is the magic number, provided teams play their 40-game regular season limits.

[CrashDavisD3]

Can we expect teams to go to MORE conference games to meet the 2014 changes.. SCIAC teams in 2013 will play 28 conference games PLUS Top 4 will play more games in their SCIAC conference tournament.

28 is the magic number, provided teams play their 40-game regular season limits.

Teams will need to schedule more than 28 D3 games to make sure they cover any cancellations due to weather or other reasons.

[historymajor]

Is Trinity the first to notch 30 wins?

[Spence]

Not the SOS that D3/NCAA will use in Regional Rankings but definitely another view of a team.

http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

Interesting that my alma mater, a ranked team no less, didn't even make the list.

There are always some errors and omitted games from that ranking. It's very unofficial. But interesting...he may not have enough results from Oshkosh games. Maybe someone isn't sending their games in to the NCAA?

[ThunderShoots]

Is Trinity the first to notch 30 wins?

I think so, but even if they end at 34 or 35, they haven't beaten anybody... Probably no chance for a Pool C, especially with SCIAC and NWC looking like potential 2-bid conferences.

[TexasBB]

If UT Tyler does not win the ASC conference tournament, I think it has a chance at a pool C bid as long as it goes to at least the semifinals in its tournament. I think they will win 2 out of 3 from Lousiana College to go 31-9 for the regular season and win the ASC East. They shouild also win the first round of the ASC as it is a best of 3 against a low seed West team in Tyler. So they should be 33-9 heading in the the double ellimination. If they go 2-2 in the tournament they will be 35-11. That should be enough but we shall see.

TexasBB

[Ralph Turner]

If UT Tyler does not win the ASC conference tournament, I think it has a chance at a pool C bid as long as it goes to at least the semifinals in its tournament. I think they will win 2 out of 3 from Lousiana College to go 31-9 for the regular season and win the ASC East. They shouild also win the first round of the ASC as it is a best of 3 against a low seed West team in Tyler. So they should be 33-9 heading in the the double ellimination. If they go 2-2 in the tournament they will be 35-11. That should be enough but we shall see.

TexasBB

Please remember that Regional record and not overall record is the primary criterion.  I calculate that your 35-11 will be a regional record of 31-9.  Over .750 has usually been a very good starting point.

We need to see how many in-region games versus ranked opponents that they have.  Right now, I see no one on the schedule whom I think might be regionally ranked.  TLU in the tourney might be the only team that will be regionally ranked.

That does not help.

[CrashDavisD3]

If UT Tyler does not win the ASC conference tournament, I think it has a chance at a pool C bid as long as it goes to at least the semifinals in its tournament. I think they will win 2 out of 3 from Lousiana College to go 31-9 for the regular season and win the ASC East. They shouild also win the first round of the ASC as it is a best of 3 against a low seed West team in Tyler. So they should be 33-9 heading in the the double ellimination. If they go 2-2 in the tournament they will be 35-11. That should be enough but we shall see.

TexasBB

Please remember that Regional record and not overall record is the primary criterion.  I calculate that your 35-11 will be a regional record of 31-9.  Over .750 has usually been a very good starting point.

We need to see how many in-region games versus ranked opponents that they have.  Right now, I see no one on the schedule whom I think might be regionally ranked.  TLU in the tourney might be the only team that will be regionally ranked.

That does not help.

It will be great next year when we go to a D3 Record as primary record. Then we should less 30+ win teams staying at home come playoff time like it has happen in past years.  I am just not a big advocate of Regional Record being the primary criteria...A game really is a game to me. IMO  D3 Record, Head to Head, Common Opponents, Overall Record then SOS should be used. To much emphasis on SOS. Many teams don't have the luxury of time or money and crystal ball to schedule these games.

[TexasBB]

I agree with you Crash and that certainly is going to be the case with the ASC. As Ralph pointed out in an earlier post next year 30 of the 40 games that the ASC has will be among members of the conference.  That leaves 10 games. Of those 10, 5 or 6 will be mid-week fill games against teams that are a bus ride awaw, which leaves 4 or 5 to be covered by pre-conference play in February or early March.  This year UTT hosted Whitworth in a tournament that included Austin College. Whitworth was a pre-season ranked opponent but did not fare so well this year. So you schedule some games with teams in other parts of the region and hope that such scheduling works for both teams from an SOS perspective. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

[OshDude]

I agree with you Crash and that certainly is going to be the case with the ASC. As Ralph pointed out in an earlier post next year 30 of the 40 games that the ASC has will be among members of the conference.  That leaves 10 games. Of those 10, 5 or 6 will be mid-week fill games against teams that are a bus ride awaw, which leaves 4 or 5 to be covered by pre-conference play in February or early March.  This year UTT hosted Whitworth in a tournament that included Austin College. Whitworth was a pre-season ranked opponent but did not fare so well this year. So you schedule some games with teams in other parts of the region and hope that such scheduling works for both teams from an SOS perspective. Sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

Around the Nation column has it at 33 ASC games.