BB: Top Teams in West Region

[Whatagame]

I think it's really important that G. Fox sweep Pac Lu next weekend.  The way Fox has it rolling right now, they have a great shot, but need to get past Lubking, who I'm sure will be dialing up the nasty factor after dropping a little string of tough decisions.

Let's say Fox sweeps, taking them to 26-6.  What do we think they need to do against Linfield, most importantly in the 3-game conference series, and lastly in the two final non-conference meetings to lock-up a bid?

Also, what could be considered is the fact that in the SCIAC thread I have also foreseen that Chapman takes the auto-bid over CLU in the tournament.....

Myself, I think if G. Fox sweeps PLU, then they need to win at an absolute minimum one of the conference games, and keep the other two real close. Last year, Fox was swept by Linfield, and all the games were nail-biters, if I recall, but they were losses nonetheless.

Then, they'd need to split the 2 non-conference for a 2-3 record against Linfield. (the upcoming two games against NAIA Corban are meaningless, which begs the question why play five of your 39 games vs. non-D3 competition?)

I'd like to see 2 NWC and 2 SCIAC teams get a bid.  I think it's reasonable to see this scenario.

[CrashDavisD3]

It may be time to throw George Fox's name back in the ring. They look to have right the ship after beating Puget Sound 9-0, 9-0, and 8-0 this weekend. They sit at 23-6 right now (13-5 in the NWC). They have eight DIII games left in the season, and five of them are against Linfield. They definitely have a chance to make a statement in the coming week. I would probably sandwich them between Trinity and Cal Lu at this point.

Not sure GF has a chance. A few times 30 win teams did not get a Pool C bid out of NWC conference. If there is an upset like Trinity not winning their SCAC conference tourney or Cal Lu losing the SCIAC tournament expect them to get the Pool C bids. Also CTX would also looks like a possible Pool C bid if they lose the ASC tournament.  IF GF wins all of its remaining games except with only 1 loss to Linfield they may get in

[CrashDavisD3]

CDD3 Regional Predictions

ASC - Concordia-TX
SCAC - Trinity- TX
SCIAC - Cal Lutheran, Chapman or Whittier
NWC - Linfield and George Fox

[Westside]

It may be time to throw George Fox's name back in the ring. They look to have right the ship after beating Puget Sound 9-0, 9-0, and 8-0 this weekend. They sit at 23-6 right now (13-5 in the NWC). They have eight DIII games left in the season, and five of them are against Linfield. They definitely have a chance to make a statement in the coming week. I would probably sandwich them between Trinity and Cal Lu at this point.

Not sure GF has a chance. A few times 30 win teams did not get a Pool C bid out of NWC conference. If there is an upset like Trinity not winning their SCAC conference tourney or Cal Lu losing the SCIAC tournament expect them to get the Pool C bids. Also CTX would also looks like a possible Pool C bid if they lose the ASC tournament.  IF GF wins all of its remaining games except with only 1 loss to Linfield they may get in

I would agree most years, but I think it will be hard to ignore how much better the NWC is than the other leagues this year. I think it helps that George Fox went 6-1 against the SCIAC this year too. And the regional is in Oregon. I feel like if it came down to it, with two even teams, they would take a team 15 minutes away from the Regional instead of flying in a team.

[CrashDavisD3]

It may be time to throw George Fox's name back in the ring. They look to have right the ship after beating Puget Sound 9-0, 9-0, and 8-0 this weekend. They sit at 23-6 right now (13-5 in the NWC). They have eight DIII games left in the season, and five of them are against Linfield. They definitely have a chance to make a statement in the coming week. I would probably sandwich them between Trinity and Cal Lu at this point.

Not sure GF has a chance. A few times 30 win teams did not get a Pool C bid out of NWC conference. If there is an upset like Trinity not winning their SCAC conference tourney or Cal Lu losing the SCIAC tournament expect them to get the Pool C bids. Also CTX would also looks like a possible Pool C bid if they lose the ASC tournament.  IF GF wins all of its remaining games except with only 1 loss to Linfield they may get in

I would agree most years, but I think it will be hard to ignore how much better the NWC is than the other leagues this year. I think it helps that George Fox went 6-1 against the SCIAC this year too. And the regional is in Oregon. I feel like if it came down to it, with two even teams, they would take a team 15 minutes away from the Regional instead of flying in a team.

A few years back NCAA chose to fly in 2 teams not even in the West Region so travel costs are not always a consideration when it comes to the West Region.  NWC rarely gets 2 teams in a regional. GF may deserve it just like PLU did a few years back but did not get a Pool C bid despite be a Co-NWC champion and 30 win season but lost in a 1 game playoff for Pool A bid and did not get the Pool C bid. So GF needs to win out to get Pool C bid IMO.

This record was not good enough for a Pool C bid in 2009. http://golutes.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/schedule

[Westside]

It may be time to throw George Fox's name back in the ring. They look to have right the ship after beating Puget Sound 9-0, 9-0, and 8-0 this weekend. They sit at 23-6 right now (13-5 in the NWC). They have eight DIII games left in the season, and five of them are against Linfield. They definitely have a chance to make a statement in the coming week. I would probably sandwich them between Trinity and Cal Lu at this point.

Not sure GF has a chance. A few times 30 win teams did not get a Pool C bid out of NWC conference. If there is an upset like Trinity not winning their SCAC conference tourney or Cal Lu losing the SCIAC tournament expect them to get the Pool C bids. Also CTX would also looks like a possible Pool C bid if they lose the ASC tournament.  IF GF wins all of its remaining games except with only 1 loss to Linfield they may get in

I would agree most years, but I think it will be hard to ignore how much better the NWC is than the other leagues this year. I think it helps that George Fox went 6-1 against the SCIAC this year too. And the regional is in Oregon. I feel like if it came down to it, with two even teams, they would take a team 15 minutes away from the Regional instead of flying in a team.

A few years back NCAA chose to fly in 2 teams not even in the West Region so travel costs are not always a consideration when it comes to the West Region.  NWC rarely gets 2 teams in a regional. GF may deserve it just like PLU did a few years back but did not get a Pool C bid despite be a Co-NWC champion and 30 win season but lost in a 1 game playoff for Pool A bid and did not get the Pool C bid. So GF needs to win out to get Pool C bid IMO.

This record was not good enough for a Pool C bid in 2009. http://golutes.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/schedule

I agree with your points, but I think this year will be different than past years. Call me an optimist I just think the NCAA will be hesitant to fly a non-West Region team this year, when the two they flew to McMinnville put up a poor showing versus the West two years ago... And that 2009 PLU I think strengthens this years' Fox team since PLU had a losing record vs SCIAC teams that season. I think they could go 31-8 and still get in (8-2 to end the year). They need to sweep PLU and put up a strong showing against Linfield though.

[Ron Boerger]

Just remember:  "logic" and "NCAA" are not often used in the same sentence, unless "lacking" is also thrown in.   

[CrashDavisD3]

It may be time to throw George Fox's name back in the ring. They look to have right the ship after beating Puget Sound 9-0, 9-0, and 8-0 this weekend. They sit at 23-6 right now (13-5 in the NWC). They have eight DIII games left in the season, and five of them are against Linfield. They definitely have a chance to make a statement in the coming week. I would probably sandwich them between Trinity and Cal Lu at this point.

Not sure GF has a chance. A few times 30 win teams did not get a Pool C bid out of NWC conference. If there is an upset like Trinity not winning their SCAC conference tourney or Cal Lu losing the SCIAC tournament expect them to get the Pool C bids. Also CTX would also looks like a possible Pool C bid if they lose the ASC tournament.  IF GF wins all of its remaining games except with only 1 loss to Linfield they may get in

I would agree most years, but I think it will be hard to ignore how much better the NWC is than the other leagues this year. I think it helps that George Fox went 6-1 against the SCIAC this year too. And the regional is in Oregon. I feel like if it came down to it, with two even teams, they would take a team 15 minutes away from the Regional instead of flying in a team.

A few years back NCAA chose to fly in 2 teams not even in the West Region so travel costs are not always a consideration when it comes to the West Region.  NWC rarely gets 2 teams in a regional. GF may deserve it just like PLU did a few years back but did not get a Pool C bid despite be a Co-NWC champion and 30 win season but lost in a 1 game playoff for Pool A bid and did not get the Pool C bid. So GF needs to win out to get Pool C bid IMO.

This record was not good enough for a Pool C bid in 2009. http://golutes.com/sports/bsb/2008-09/schedule

I agree with your points, but I think this year will be different than past years. Call me an optimist I just think the NCAA will be hesitant to fly a non-West Region team this year, when the two they flew to McMinnville put up a poor showing versus the West two years ago... And that 2009 PLU I think strengthens this years' Fox team since PLU had a losing record vs SCIAC teams that season. I think they could go 31-8 and still get in (8-2 to end the year). They need to sweep PLU and put up a strong showing against Linfield though.

If they go 31-8 they deserve to get in BUT...no guarantee's with Pool C bids. Some teams that seem to be sure Pool C bids have been left out every year for the past 5 years with people wondering what happened. There is no logic when it comes to Pool C bids and many times with some choices being very subjective to me. Remember Pool C bids are awarded on a National not regional basis and anything can happen and has in prior years. Only sure thing for GF is to win all their remaining games and make the decision be an easy one for the committee.

[CrashDavisD3]

32 wins in 2010 was not enough for TLU in 2010 and IWU won a National Championship with 21 losses in 2010 and got into their conference tourney with 20 losses. So anything is possible. Only guarantee is win your Pool A Bid like IWU did in 2010 to get a a regional.

[108 Stitches]

I will repeat what I have been saying since the beginning of the season. GF season will come down to how well they play against Linfield the last 5 games of the season. If they go at least 2-5 and compete well they are likely in, if not...they can come and watch.

[Whatagame]

Sure, let's fly in a couple teams from Iowa or wherever, the Kingsford charcoal sales will soar in McMinville in early May with the two "Two and 'ques"

[CrashDavisD3]

Sure, let's fly in a couple teams from Iowa or wherever, the Kingsford charcoal sales will soar in McMinville in early May with the two "Two and 'ques"

Yep...NCAA does not use always used logic....it is up to GFU to win it on the field and earn their spot to McMinville. A 8-2 record with 2 wins over Linfield and a sweep of PLU gets them in as a Pool C IMO. Anything else and if you stay home "THERE IS NO CRYING IN BASEBALL". If I was making the rules all Pool A bids must  win a conference tourney(Round 1 of playoffs). I would chose the remaining Pool C bids from #1 seeds in Conference Tourney that did not win their conference tourney. If there is not enough add #2 seeds etc..D3 Winning percentage..more based on Winning on the field, less on complex formulas

[Spence]

That would give incentive to schedule weak and advantage to playing in a weak conference. If practically the only way to guarantee a bid before conference tournament is to be the top seed in your conference, then it helps to have a conference where there's not much competition to be that top seed. There have been national champions from Pool C that weren't top seeds in their conference tournament.

Don't all Pool A bids have to win their conference as it is?

[108 Stitches]

......drum roll......I agree with Spence!

This is getting sick, twice now in the same month......

[CrashDavisD3]

That would give incentive to schedule weak and advantage to playing in a weak conference. If practically the only way to guarantee a bid before conference tournament is to be the top seed in your conference, then it helps to have a conference where there's not much competition to be that top seed. There have been national champions from Pool C that weren't top seeds in their conference tournament.

Don't all Pool A bids have to win their conference as it is?

Almost all conferences now reward their Pool A bids to the Conference Tourney Winner. A few do not have Conference Tourney's and get their Pool A bids through the winner of conference games with no Conference Tourney(I would change this to require all conferences to have a conference tournney)  and of course a few conferences do not get a Pool A bids and must try to get a bid through the Pool B/C bid process. SOS should be also be used along with D3 Winning Percentage, D3 Conference Winning Percentage and D3 Regional Winning Percentage. As far as non D3 games they should never be used in the process and should be less that 20% of a teams schedule in my opinion. 

I still believe a better process is needed for Pool B/C bids that need to be won on the field and not in a committee. BUT cost is always a issue for the Multi-Billion Corporation with highly paid executives and school presidents called the NCAA a very big business which is not always a student-athlete first organization IMO.