BB: Top Teams in West Region

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108 Stitches

Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 03, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Looks like there will be a new #1 next week 

Wouldn't be so sure. Marietta trails 6-3 with Mount Union batting in the 7th. MC is throwing their 3 and 4 guys today but that isn't very likely to be considered.

Uhh I think CNU might be in the mix. You have to be able to win with your 3 & 4's to be worthy.

Dude - you gotta work on this negative Karma thing....


BamColt

No way Trinity falls out of the top spot.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 03, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 03, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Looks like there will be a new #1 next week 

Wouldn't be so sure. Marietta trails 6-3 with Mount Union batting in the 7th. MC is throwing their 3 and 4 guys today but that isn't very likely to be considered.

Uhh I think CNU might be in the mix. You have to be able to win with your 3 & 4's to be worthy.

Dude - you gotta work on this negative Karma thing....
The champion in Wisconsin wins because #3 and #4 get the job done!

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 03, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 03, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Looks like there will be a new #1 next week 

Wouldn't be so sure. Marietta trails 6-3 with Mount Union batting in the 7th. MC is throwing their 3 and 4 guys today but that isn't very likely to be considered.

Uhh I think CNU might be in the mix. You have to be able to win with your 3 & 4's to be worthy.

Dude - you gotta work on this negative Karma thing....
The champion in Wisconsin wins because #3 and #4 get the job done!
Teams win National Championships because of their #3 and #4 guys..Marrieta, Kean, St. Thomas and others have proved that. Chapman fell short in 2009 and 2011 because the #1 was not available due to injuries both years and they were not deep enough to have #4 and #5 starter like most teams outside of the West must have to win games due to their compressed schedules.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

BamColt

I think the teams in the north, northeast always have an easier path to Wisconsin in my opinion. I know the State of Texas hasn't had a team reach Fox Cities since Concordia in 2002, but its like hell going through the conference tourney, then having the regional against California and Arizona squads. I mean there are numerous teams in these Northern conference who can barley field a team.

Whatagame

BamColt, what Arizona D3 squads are you referring to?

forheavendial4999

Quote from: BamColt on April 04, 2012, 06:41:42 PM
I think the teams in the north, northeast always have an easier path to Wisconsin in my opinion. I know the State of Texas hasn't had a team reach Fox Cities since Concordia in 2002, but its like hell going through the conference tourney, then having the regional against California and Arizona squads. I mean there are numerous teams in these Northern conference who can barley field a team.

I'll believe all the bluster about how tough it is in Texas when someone from there actually does something in Appleton. This year's your big shot because Chapman is probably not going to make it and Linfield's been questionable. We'll see what comes of it.

108 Stitches

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Bamcolt, there have been many discussions on this subject. Because Regionals are not seeded nationally, it is not always the case that the best teams are in Wisconsin. Just life my friend. You can blame Chapman if you want.  :D

Late edit: I don't think there is any bluster Heaven, maybe just a little whining. Facts are that the best teams are not there. Your right maybe this year....but maybe not, we will see.

forheavendial4999

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 03, 2012, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2012, 11:25:20 PM
Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 03, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 03, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Looks like there will be a new #1 next week 

Wouldn't be so sure. Marietta trails 6-3 with Mount Union batting in the 7th. MC is throwing their 3 and 4 guys today but that isn't very likely to be considered.

Uhh I think CNU might be in the mix. You have to be able to win with your 3 & 4's to be worthy.

Dude - you gotta work on this negative Karma thing....
The champion in Wisconsin wins because #3 and #4 get the job done!
Teams win National Championships because of their #3 and #4 guys..Marrieta, Kean, St. Thomas and others have proved that. Chapman fell short in 2009 and 2011 because the #1 was not available due to injuries both years and they were not deep enough to have #4 and #5 starter like most teams outside of the West must have to win games due to their compressed schedules.

Yeah, tell the people that have won 2 national titles in the last 5 years how to win national titles. Y'all overreact much? I swear the West region has an inferiority complex. Marietta had probably the best #3 starters since 1999 last year. All I made was a simple statement that they probably wouldn't be given any slack for losing with their #3/4 vs. Trinity's ace going down. I made no statement whether they should or not.

forheavendial4999

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 03, 2012, 09:24:14 PM
Quote from: forheavendial4999 on April 03, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2012, 04:27:16 PM
Looks like there will be a new #1 next week 

Wouldn't be so sure. Marietta trails 6-3 with Mount Union batting in the 7th. MC is throwing their 3 and 4 guys today but that isn't very likely to be considered.

Uhh I think CNU might be in the mix. You have to be able to win with your 3 & 4's to be worthy.

Dude - you gotta work on this negative Karma thing....

Says the man largely responsible for it...not that I give a crap about karma. You care about it more than I do obviously because you brought it up. I think it's a worthless 7th grade-level popularity measure. I'm more interested in being incisive and insightful than spreading platitudes to make other people give me a +k. Call me crazy, I feel more is learned by the former.

forheavendial4999

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 04, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
Bamcolt, there have been many discussions on this subject. Because Regionals are not seeded nationally, it is not always the case that the best teams are in Wisconsin. Just life my friend. You can blame Chapman if you want.  :D

Late edit: I don't think there is any bluster Heaven, maybe just a little whining. Facts are that the best teams are not there. Your right maybe this year....but maybe not, we will see.

Pretty much. But to say a team with say ECSU, Trinity, Wheaton in their region just to name a few has it easy is silly and shows a lack of knowledge. I'd like to see some of these Texas schools come north and play half a dozen or more games in as many days all away from home early in their season and see how their record looks.

OshDude

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 04, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
Bamcolt, there have been many discussions on this subject. Because Regionals are not seeded nationally, it is not always the case that the best teams are in Wisconsin. Just life my friend. You can blame Chapman if you want.  :D

Late edit: I don't think there is any bluster Heaven, maybe just a little whining. Facts are that the best teams are not there. Your right maybe this year....but maybe not, we will see.
Are you talking about D-III baseball or all NCAA tournaments?

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: BamColt on April 04, 2012, 06:41:42 PM
I think the teams in the north, northeast always have an easier path to Wisconsin in my opinion. I know the State of Texas hasn't had a team reach Fox Cities since Concordia in 2002, but its like hell going through the conference tourney, then having the regional against California and Arizona squads. I mean there are numerous teams in these Northern conference who can barley field a team.
Conferences tourneys are killers for the ASC and SCAC. SCIAC, NWC and Independents before 2012 in the West did not. George Fox, Linfield and Chapman did not have to go thru conference tourney's to get to Wisconsin in past years.

West teams seem to be at a disadvantage not having to develop a deep pitching staff since they do not play a compressed schedule like the teams in the Central, East and Northeast have to play in and must develop 4 starters and deep relief staff. West teams start early and rarely play more than 3/4 games in a week.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
Crash Davis Bio - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/minors/crash0908.html

BamColt

I did not realize that about some of the West Coast teams. It just seems like the ASC always has a brutal journey to end up in Appleton compared to other conferences.

Whatagame

I would propose an argument to CrashDavis that wouldn't it behoove a competitive West Region team to recruit and and develop as deep a pitching staff as possible, on par with any team in the nation, regardless of how the schedules differ between West and East, Mid West, Northeast?  The old adage in baseball is that "you can never have too much pitching"

What particularly comes to mind is the wealth of two way talent (utility players) that resides in So Cal for a team like Chapman to draw from.