BB: Top Teams in West Region

Started by CrashDavisD3, February 20, 2012, 08:23:11 PM

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BamColt

The field should play in Concordia's favor but I don't think it will be a huge advantage in my opinion. I agree with the above poster, I love the way Boggs coaches this team to play very sound defense and has the arms from his starters and in the pen to rely on. I think this team got their feet wet last year and have a little more experience this go round for regionals. Would love to see Concordia get back to Appleton and represent the ASC again.


CrashDavisD3

CTX is my pick. Good Defense, Good pitching will win the regional in 2012. Getting on base, playing small ball with timeley hitting will get the job done.
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Westside

I would not be surprised, after this weekend, to see Linfield jump back into the West rankings. They are getting hot at the right time (including shut outs of PLU and G-Fox), and I would not want to play them if they make the playoffs.
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CrashDavisD3

Quote from: Westside4 on May 09, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
I would not be surprised, after this weekend, to see Linfield jump back into the West rankings. They are getting hot at the right time (including shut outs of PLU and G-Fox), and I would not want to play them if they make the playoffs.
It would not surprise me if Linfield made it to the West Regional but their numbers are lower than Pomona Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran.

Pacific also has a higher in region winning percentage, but lower OWP, OOWP, SOS, Overall record and winning percentage

Linfield
25-15 .625 Overall Record
22-12 .637 In Region Winning Percentage
.5015 (227) OWP is weak
.5234 OOWP
.509 (208) SOS is also weak
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OshDude

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2012, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Westside4 on May 09, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
I would not be surprised, after this weekend, to see Linfield jump back into the West rankings. They are getting hot at the right time (including shut outs of PLU and G-Fox), and I would not want to play them if they make the playoffs.
It would not surprise me if Linfield made it to the West Regional but their numbers are lower than Pomona Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran.

Pacific also has a higher in region winning percentage, but lower OWP, OOWP, SOS, Overall record and winning percentage

Linfield
25-15 .625 Overall Record
22-12 .637 In Region Winning Percentage
.5015 (227) OWP is weak
.5234 OOWP
.509 (208) SOS is also weak
A .509 SOS in the West is passable.

Ralph Turner

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Quote from: Ricky Nelson on May 09, 2012, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2012, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Westside4 on May 09, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
I would not be surprised, after this weekend, to see Linfield jump back into the West rankings. They are getting hot at the right time (including shut outs of PLU and G-Fox), and I would not want to play them if they make the playoffs.
It would not surprise me if Linfield made it to the West Regional but their numbers are lower than Pomona Pitzer, Pacific Lutheran.

Pacific also has a higher in region winning percentage, but lower OWP, OOWP, SOS, Overall record and winning percentage

Linfield
25-15 .625 Overall Record
22-12 .637 In Region Winning Percentage
.5015 (227) OWP is weak
.5234 OOWP
.509 (208) SOS is also weak
A .509 SOS in the West is passable.
I agree with Ricky. A .509 SOS in the West Region is passable.

Linfield did everything that they could to play a quality in-region schedule.

Besides the Northwest Conference schedule, whom they have to play, they went to Arizona for 4 West Region Games and then played at Chapman 4 games during the "Bye week in NWC play.

Richard Hamstocks

I can see an argument being made for Linfield over Pacific, I don't see the argument over Pomona
Linfield vs Pomona-Pitzer
SOS: .509 vs .510
Overall Record: 25-15 vs 25-12-1
In-Region Record: 22-12 vs 23-11
Against common opponents (Chapman, Cal Lu, CMS, Whitworth, and Puget Sound): 7-5 vs 10-4
Against regionally ranked opponents: 4-3 vs 3-2
All advantages to P-P...
 

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Richard Hamstocks on May 09, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
I can see an argument being made for Linfield over Pacific, I don't see the argument over Pomona
Linfield vs Pomona-Pitzer
SOS: .509 vs .510
Overall Record: 25-15 vs 25-12-1
In-Region Record: 22-12 vs 23-11
Against common opponents (Chapman, Cal Lu, CMS, Whitworth, and Puget Sound): 7-5 vs 10-4
Against regionally ranked opponents: 4-3 vs 3-2
All advantages to P-P...

+1! Richard, excellent analysis using the Handbook criteria.

El Hombre

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2012, 06:03:20 PM
Quote from: Richard Hamstocks on May 09, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
I can see an argument being made for Linfield over Pacific, I don't see the argument over Pomona
Linfield vs Pomona-Pitzer
SOS: .509 vs .510
Overall Record: 25-15 vs 25-12-1
In-Region Record: 22-12 vs 23-11
Against common opponents (Chapman, Cal Lu, CMS, Whitworth, and Puget Sound): 7-5 vs 10-4
Against regionally ranked opponents: 4-3 vs 3-2
All advantages to P-P...


+1! Richard, excellent analysis using the Handbook criteria.

Ralph -
Based on the "selection criteria", how is Linfield even being discussed as a possibility for a Pool C bid?  What am I missing? 

(1)  Based on the criteria of "win-loss percentage against regional opponents" . . .  Linfield ranks BEHIND Trinity, Pacific, Pomona, Pac Lu, Texas-Tyler, and Texas Lutheran.
(2)  Based on the criteria of SOS . . . Linfield ranks BEHIND Chapman, George Fox, Hardin-Simmons, Mississippi College, Pac Lu, Occidental, and Pomona.
(3)  If you factored the first two together as an RPI . . . Linfield ranks BEHIND Pacific, Chapman, Pac Lu, Pomona, Texas-Tyler, and George Fox.
(4)  Based on "in-region head-to-head competition" . . . Linfield was 1 -2 versus Pacific, 1 - 3 versus George Fox, 3 - 1 versus Pac Lu, and 2 - 2 versus Chapman.
(5)  Based on the criteria of "in-region results versus regionally ranked teams" . . . Chapman had 5 wins (5-8), Linfield had 4 wins (4-3), Pacific had 3 wins (3-3), Pac Lu had 2 wins (2-2), and Pomona had 2 wins (2-2). 

The discussion should be among Pacific, Pomona, Chapman, Texas-Tyler and Pac Lu. 

Ralph Turner

El Hombre,

I think that Richard Hamstocks showed how Linfield does not have the credentials for a Pool C bid.

Let's see if Linfield is in the Regional Rankings tomorrow.

Ralph Turner

Correction El Hombre:  PP is 3-2 against Regionally Ranked teams  (2-2 vs LaVerne and 1-0 versus Whitworth).

Thanks for the analysis.

CrashDavisD3

Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 09, 2012, 10:36:18 PM
El Hombre,

I think that Richard Hamstocks showed how Linfield does not have the credentials for a Pool C bid.

Let's see if Linfield is in the Regional Rankings tomorrow.
I agree on the Richard's analysis but dont be shocked at the number 6 is in the West Region it may be a team the numbers dont support and could shock many people.

I just think there are other factors being considered.
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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Richard Hamstocks

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 09, 2012, 11:56:04 PMI just think there are other factors being considered.
This strikes me as a serious problem, as they don't seem to be listed as either primary or secondary criteria from what I can tell.  Any insight on what those factors might be?

Whatagame

....factors like who the hosting team is?.......

CrashDavisD3

I have no clue really just guessing out loud....
This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.  "There are three types of baseball players: those who make things happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what happened."
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