BB: Top Teams in West Region

[BigPoppa]

I see it this way... SOMEONE has to be the #6 team in the west region rankings. It doesn't actually mean they are being considered.

[Ralph Turner]

Bro is on the regional committee but not the chair and not on the national committee.  The SCIAC has a rep too.

The proper thing to do is to recuse one's self (leave the room, hang up the phone) when one's team is in the discussion.

RT,

The proper thing?  This is a fan posting board not a courtroom.  In knowing Bro as a person, his reputation, and his body of work as a coach I'm just suppose to not say anything when another calls into question his character?

I think my response was fair.

Sorry that you misinterpreted my response. I fully expect Coach Brosius to leave the room.

Every rep on the committee knows that their behavior is to be the best for the game.  I will not impugn those representatives. (McMurry head coach Lee Driggers was regional committee chair about 5 years ago.  He took the responsibility seriously, too.)

[CrashDavisD3]

Even if a team lands at #6 in the West today, I still do not see them being selected ahead of the other Pool Cs that are awarded NATIONALLY, not regionally.

Big Poppa is right on and people lose the National perspective on Pool B/C. Regional ranking does not get you a bid !!

I fully respect all people on the all committees and I understand they can not be present when their teams are being discussed. They are the experts since they see the teams day in and day out for many years and understand what it takes to succeed in a regional. The best teams are at the regional's and the best teams win it on the field at the regionals.

Teams that dont make only have themselves to blame. WIN YOUR POOL A if you are in a Pool A conference otherwise you can only blame your selves. Pool B/C not part of Pool A conference. Play a tough schedule and win your games, then you are in control of your destiny. 30 win seasons do not get you Pool B/C although many think it does.

In a perfect world with enough money and time Pool B/C with n expanded field would help eliminate some of these conversations.

It is very tough to pick the Pool B/C teams since so many teams that are literally very similar. Too many teams with too few spots. No matter who is chosen someone will feel left out and will start reciting numbers on why their team should have went.

Big Poppa is right. A #6 in the West may never see the field IF Primary and Secondary Criteria is used from the DIII NCAA Championship Handbook...

But....I still think there may be other factors.....Hope I am wrong on this one.

[Ralph Turner]

Even if a team lands at #6 in the West today, I still do not see them being selected ahead of the other Pool Cs that are awarded NATIONALLY, not regionally.

Big Poppa is right on and people lose the National perspective on Pool B/C. Regional ranking does not get you a bid !!

I fully respect all people on the all committees and I understand they can not be present when their teams are being discussed. They are the experts since they see the teams day in and day out for many years and understand what it takes to succeed in a regional. The best teams are at the regional's and the best teams win it on the field at the regionals.

Teams that dont make only have themselves to blame. WIN YOUR POOL A if you are in a Pool A conference otherwise you can only blame your selves. Pool B/C not part of Pool A conference. Play a tough schedule and win your games, then you are in control of your destiny. 30 win seasons do not get you Pool B/C although many think it does.

In a perfect world with enough money and time Pool B/C with n expanded field would help eliminate some of these conversations.

It is very tough to pick the Pool B/C teams since so many teams that are literally very similar. Too many teams with too few spots. No matter who is chosen someone will feel left out and will start reciting numbers on why their team should have went.

Big Poppa is right. A #6 in the West may never see the field IF Primary and Secondary Criteria is used from the DIII NCAA Championship Handbook...

But....I still think there may be other factors.....Hope I am wrong on this one.

I do, too.

[Ralph Turner]

....factors like who the hosting team is?.......

Hosting team getting a bid?

That is so ... NAIA!   

[BigPoppa]

....factors like who the hosting team is?.......

Hosting team getting a bid?

That is so ... NAIA!   

At least Lewis and Clark State backed it up on the field nearly every year:) THAT is is a legit program that produces prospect after prospect, including 14 MLB'ers.

[Ralph Turner]

....factors like who the hosting team is?.......

Hosting team getting a bid?

That is so ... NAIA!   

At least Lewis and Clark State backed it up on the field nearly every year:) THAT is is a legit program that produces prospect after prospect, including 14 MLB'ers.

Lewis and Clark State?  You are right about that.

[infielddad]

West Region rankings updated:

WEST            
1   Concordia (Texas)   36-9   36-9   
2   Trinity (Texas)   31-8   34-10   
3   Whitworth   25-7-1   26-13-1   
4   La Verne   24-12   25-14   
5   Linfield   22-12   25-15   
6   Pomona-Pitzer   23-11   25-12-1

Would Linfield get a 2nd Pool C in the West and be team #5?

[CrashDavisD3]

West Region rankings updated:

WEST            
1   Concordia (Texas)   36-9   36-9   
2   Trinity (Texas)   31-8   34-10   
3   Whitworth   25-7-1   26-13-1   
4   La Verne   24-12   25-14   
5   Linfield   22-12   25-15   
6   Pomona-Pitzer   23-11   25-12-1

Would Linfield get a 2nd Pool C in the West and be team #5?

I guess I was right....OTHER FACTORS. I was wrong I thought number 6 would be the SHOCK but it is number 5. Teams 1 -5 get in. Team 6 will not and another team will be brought into the Regional. I think the West Regional is now set for teams 1 to 5. I just dont think the number justify this but IT is what is...

[dp643]

Im sorry, but if a 25-15 team gets into the regional as a Pool C, it really shows how weak this region has gotten.

[Jack Parkman]

West Region rankings updated:

WEST            
1   Concordia (Texas)   36-9   36-9   
2   Trinity (Texas)   31-8   34-10   
3   Whitworth   25-7-1   26-13-1   
4   La Verne   24-12   25-14   
5   Linfield   22-12   25-15   
6   Pomona-Pitzer   23-11   25-12-1

Would Linfield get a 2nd Pool C in the West and be team #5?

I don't know enough about this to say anything about Linfield being in there but I do not see Pomona getting in.  If they do take those top 5 and lets be honest, saving a lot of $$$ would be a big deal to have Linfield in it, what type of team would they bring in?  Would a team be brought in as a 3/4 seed or would they bring in a team that won their conference tournament (that wasn't supposed to) and put them as the #6 seed?  I believe it was St. Norbert that was sent to Chapman a few years back and they got beat by about 25 runs.  Would that be more likely to happen or would a team fly in that will be a higher rank?  I wouldn't mind seeing Linfield vs Klimesh...

[Richard Hamstocks]

I fully respect all people on the all committees and I understand they can not be present when their teams are being discussed. They are the experts since they see the teams day in and day out for many years and understand what it takes to succeed in a regional. The best teams are at the regional's and the best teams win it on the field at the regionals.

Teams that dont make only have themselves to blame. WIN YOUR POOL A if you are in a Pool A conference otherwise you can only blame your selves. Pool B/C not part of Pool A conference. Play a tough schedule and win your games, then you are in control of your destiny. 30 win seasons do not get you Pool B/C although many think it does.
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It is very tough to pick the Pool B/C teams since so many teams that are literally very similar. Too many teams with too few spots. No matter who is chosen someone will feel left out and will start reciting numbers on why their team should have went.
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But....I still think there may be other factors.....Hope I am wrong on this one.

Pacific and Pomona-Pitzer didn't win their conferences.  Agreed, they have themselves to blame.  If the West is only getting 5 teams, (at least) one of them is staying home. 
And one can start reciting numbers, and many already have, myself included.  What I have failed to see is any numbers justifying Linfield entering the rankings at number 5.  Perhaps this is leading you, and many of us, to think there are other factors involved.  It's hard not to be convinced.       

[CrashDavisD3]

Im sorry, but if a 25-15 team gets into the regional as a Pool C, it really shows how weak this region has gotten.

Linfield finished in 4TH PLACE IN THEIR CONFERENCE......Lost 3 of 4 to 5th place George FOX.....2 of 3 to Co-Conference Champ Pacific...2 of 3 to Co-Conference Champ Whitworth. Yea I know these are not considered.

But honestly does it make sense to a logical person. You wonder why I bash the NCAA for their rules and processes.

[Ralph Turner]

West Region rankings updated:

WEST            
1   Concordia (Texas)   36-9   36-9   
2   Trinity (Texas)   31-8   34-10   
3   Whitworth   25-7-1   26-13-1   
4   La Verne   24-12   25-14   
5   Linfield   22-12   25-15   
6   Pomona-Pitzer   23-11   25-12-1

Would Linfield get a 2nd Pool C in the West and be team #5?

I don't know enough about this to say anything about Linfield being in there but I do not see Pomona getting in.  If they do take those top 5 and lets be honest, saving a lot of $$$ would be a big deal to have Linfield in it, what type of team would they bring in?   Would a team be brought in as a 3/4 seed or would they bring in a team that won their conference tournament (that wasn't supposed to) and put them as the #6 seed?  I believe it was St. Norbert that was sent to Chapman a few years back and they got beat by about 25 runs.  Would that be more likely to happen or would a team fly in that will be a higher rank?  I wouldn't mind seeing Linfield vs Klimesh...

You still have to fly someone into Linfield, if you don't take a NWC team as the 6th!

How does Linfield jump Pomona-Pitzer by the criteria in the handbook.

I don't think that they need to go to Secondary Criteria to make the call!

[Jack Parkman]

West Region rankings updated:

WEST            
1   Concordia (Texas)   36-9   36-9   
2   Trinity (Texas)   31-8   34-10   
3   Whitworth   25-7-1   26-13-1   
4   La Verne   24-12   25-14   
5   Linfield   22-12   25-15   
6   Pomona-Pitzer   23-11   25-12-1

Would Linfield get a 2nd Pool C in the West and be team #5?

I don't know enough about this to say anything about Linfield being in there but I do not see Pomona getting in.  If they do take those top 5 and lets be honest, saving a lot of $$$ would be a big deal to have Linfield in it, what type of team would they bring in?   Would a team be brought in as a 3/4 seed or would they bring in a team that won their conference tournament (that wasn't supposed to) and put them as the #6 seed?  I believe it was St. Norbert that was sent to Chapman a few years back and they got beat by about 25 runs.  Would that be more likely to happen or would a team fly in that will be a higher rank?  I wouldn't mind seeing Linfield vs Klimesh...

You still have to fly someone into Linfield, if you don't take a NWC team as the 6th!
How does Linfield jump Pomona-Pitzer by the criteria in the handbook.

I don't think that they need to go to Secondary Criteria to make the call!

I realize that, I meant if they took Linfield and a #6 instead of a #5 and #6.  My bad.