BB: Top Teams in West Region

Spence · April 08, 2014, 03:34:26 PM

OK that actually sounds reasonably close to what they do now for Pool B/C. I expect there to be a couple of Pool B eligible teams that get in as C's.

I don't think conferences should be required to have tournaments. There are reasons to and reasons not to. I tend toward the "more baseball is better" (to a point) side of the equation, but doesn't mean everyone will.

CrashDavisD3 · April 08, 2014, 05:26:13 PM

Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
OK that actually sounds reasonably close to what they do now for Pool B/C. I expect there to be a couple of Pool B eligible teams that get in as C's.

I don't think conferences should be required to have tournaments. There are reasons to and reasons not to. I tend toward the "more baseball is better" (to a point) side of the equation, but doesn't mean everyone will.

I view conference tournaments as round 1 of playoff baseball. Also keeps interest in the season alive for many teams. A few years ago a 4th seed in a conference tournament won the national championship. With no conference tourney this would not be possible.

Spence · April 08, 2014, 07:51:21 PM

I think your position is quite defensible, as is the opposite. Reality is the NCAA is going to let the conferences decide.

I'm glad my alma mater's conference has a tournament, even though it would probably be better for us if it didn't. They're just fun, for the fans but most importantly for the players.

CrashDavisD3 · April 08, 2014, 07:58:26 PM

It's is great a 4th seed in a conference tourney has a chance to go to a regional and a chance to win a national championship. With no conference tourney this team/players season would end after their last regular season game. It is great their season gets extended in a Conference Tourney.

108 Stitches · April 08, 2014, 10:32:35 PM

Not only is it fun for the top seeds but it keeps the back half of the season meaningful for most teams in conference play as middle of the road teams are all fighting to get into the conference tournament, the top teams trying to get the top seed, really nothing bad from a tournament IMO. If you are a top team and for some reason you lose by a fluke then you will likely get into to the Regionals via rankings and if not then you would probably not compete with the top teams there anyway. The positives out-way the negatives IMO.

Ralph Turner · April 10, 2014, 10:20:15 AM

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 08, 2014, 10:32:35 PM
Not only is it fun for the top seeds but it keeps the back half of the season meaningful for most teams in conference play as middle of the road teams are all fighting to get into the conference tournament, the top teams trying to get the top seed, really nothing bad from a tournament IMO. If you are a top team and for some reason you lose by a fluke then you will likely get into to the Regionals via rankings and if not then you would probably not compete with the top teams there anyway. The positives out-way the negatives IMO.

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 08, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
It's is great a 4th seed in a conference tourney has a chance to go to a regional and a chance to win a national championship. With no conference tourney this team/players season would end after their last regular season game. It is great their season gets extended in a Conference Tourney.

Quote from: Spence on April 08, 2014, 03:34:26 PM
OK that actually sounds reasonably close to what they do now for Pool B/C. I expect there to be a couple of Pool B eligible teams that get in as C's.

I don't think conferences should be required to have tournaments. There are reasons to and reasons not to. I tend toward the "more baseball is better" (to a point) side of the equation, but doesn't mean everyone will.

Well-stated summations of the points that I favor with the current process. Twenty-loss IWU certainly had a Cinderella season.

108 Stitches · April 13, 2014, 09:31:49 PM

Wow what a wild weekend in the Wild Wild West.

I have a hard time putting together a top 10 since so many teams seem to be playing themselves out of contention. It may end up being a case of "close your eyes and pick who smells the least".

1. Linfield - uhh... no comments needed
2. Trinity - getting back to Championship baseball, too bad they will see Linfield again in the Regional, but there is always hope.....
Pair of "W's" ? "who" or "winners" ?
3/4 Williamette/Whittier

5. Chapman ?
They are looking better every day....

6-10 The other "W's" Who knows?

Everyone else is playing themselves out of contention. (if they don't win conference)

GF loses 2 of 3 and is now rolling into 5 with THE BEAST. I doubt they make the regional unless they do something like 3 of 4 vs Linfield.

LeTour - loses 2 of 4

Concordia - loses 2 of 4 (still odds on favorite for ASC)

CLU - loses 3 of 4....They in fact may lose to Chapman in the SCIAC

Wow could be a lot of fly in's in the West.....

CrashDavisD3 · April 14, 2014, 12:41:38 PM

As of 4/14/2014 West Regional looks like

1. Linfield
2. Trinity
3. Chapman
4. CTX
5. Fly in outside the region
6. Fly in outside the region

IF Whitter keeps winning they will get in. Big Series with Chapman this week. Who would have predicted this? Not Me

Williamette has a shot also

Still lots of baseball left but many teams are doing a good job in not getting a Pool C bid by losing games GFU, CLU, LeTour

Teams that are losing will need to win their conference tourney to get in.

Upsets in conference tourney's will change everything of course

Jack Parkman · April 14, 2014, 02:03:12 PM

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 14, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
As of 4/14/2014 West Regional looks like

1. Linfield
2. Trinity
3. Chapman
4. CTX
5. Fly in outside the region
6. Fly in outside the region

IF Whitter keeps winning they will get in. Big Series with Chapman this week. Who would have predicted this? Not Me

Williamette has a shot also

Still lots of baseball left but many teams are doing a good job in not getting a Pool C bid by losing games GFU, CLU, LeTour
Teams that are losing will need to win their conference tourney to get in.

Upsets in conference tourney's will change everything of course

I'm not so sure you should already count out Cal Lu and put Chapman in the Regional. That being said, Cal Lu can't afford to keep playing this way. Cal Lu has 8 d-3 losses, Chapman has 9. No clue what the Regional rankings will look like but I do agree on Linfield and Trinity being 1 and 2. After that I think Cal Lu, Chapman, Whittier and Concordia (in no order) are in the top 6 or very close to it. Willamette only has 7 d-3 losses and could be up there as well. George Fox has 8 d-3 losses, PLU has 10 and Le Tourneau has 9. Someone will get knocked out of the SCIAC race with more losses as 2 of those 3 will have a minimum of 2 more losses and the NWC is all but wrapped up. Should be interesting to see how it all works out.

Spence · April 14, 2014, 02:20:59 PM

1. Linfield

2. Pull team out of hat from about 8 different choices.

I don't know if they're all good or none of them are, but there's a bunch that are not really differentiated.

108 Stitches · April 14, 2014, 02:29:17 PM

Jack, I have to agree with Crash regarding Chapman, they are getting stronger as the season progresses and we all know their pitching is coming off injuries. CLU pitching has been very inconsistent. Obviously lots of baseball left, but the winner of the SCIAC may be the only SoCal team at the Regional if this trend continues.

Jack Parkman · April 14, 2014, 02:37:47 PM

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 14, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Jack, I have to agree with Crash regarding Chapman, they are getting stronger as the season progresses and we all know their pitching is coming off injuries. CLU pitching has been very inconsistent. Obviously lots of baseball left, but the winner of the SCIAC may be the only SoCal team at the Regional if this trend continues.

Absolutely agree that Chapman has been on a really good run and they have the pitching. Interesting to see how it all shakes out with the round-robin. Getting the top 2 seeds will be crucial.

CrashDavisD3 · April 14, 2014, 02:41:09 PM

Quote from: 108 Stitches on April 14, 2014, 02:29:17 PM
Jack, I have to agree with Crash regarding Chapman, they are getting stronger as the season progresses and we all know their pitching is coming off injuries. CLU pitching has been very inconsistent. Obviously lots of baseball left, but the winner of the SCIAC may be the only SoCal team at the Regional if this trend continues.

Does SOS have any bearing this year.

If Chapman played top 25 teams like Trinity, Cal Lu and Kean with wins over Cal Lu and Kean. Lots of baseball left just my assesment if today was pick the Regional teams.

tigerfan_2001 · April 14, 2014, 03:04:46 PM

Quote from: Spence on April 14, 2014, 02:20:59 PM
1. Linfield

2. Pull team out of hat from about 8 different choices.

I don't know if they're all good or none of them are, but there's a bunch that are not really differentiated.

agreed...until someone beats them, they are in a class by themselves.

SoCalSoxFan · April 14, 2014, 05:09:11 PM

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on April 14, 2014, 12:41:38 PM
As of 4/14/2014 West Regional looks like

1. Linfield
2. Trinity
3. Chapman
4. CTX
5. Fly in outside the region
6. Fly in outside the region

IF Whitter keeps winning they will get in. Big Series with Chapman this week. Who would have predicted this? Not Me

Williamette has a shot also

Still lots of baseball left but many teams are doing a good job in not getting a Pool C bid by losing games GFU, CLU, LeTour
Teams that are losing will need to win their conference tourney to get in.

Upsets in conference tourney's will change everything of course

Based on Whittier winning 2x vs CLU this weekend, and Chapman playing Cal Tech, I think WHittier did more to earn consideration for #3 this week than CHapman did. Of course, the upcoming 3 game series between the two of them will help resolve this... at least until the conf Tourney.