BB: Top Teams in West Region

[SoCalSoxFan]

Forget the polls 
Best 6 should go to the West Regional. No fly in's 
All conferences have Conference tourney's to determine Pool A bids in 2015

ASC
Concordia-Texas 21-6
Texas-Tyler 19-8

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 20-8
Linfield 21-9

SCAC
Texas Lutheran 20-9
Trinity 19-9

SCIAC 
Cal Lutheran 20-9
Chapman 20-9
Pomona-Pitzer 20-9
Redlands 20-9

Love your SCIAC prediction.  Tie breaker calculation would be very interesting.

Currently with 1-2 series to go, plus 4 games in Round Robin: 

CLU 2-1 vs Chapman and 2-1 PP; 1-2 against Redands;   Total head-to-head 5-4
Redlands 2-1 vs CLU; 1-2 against Chapman and 1-2 PP;  Total head-to-head 4-5
Chapman 2-1 vs Redlands; 1-2 against CLU;   ?? vs PP;   Total head-to-head ??   current = 3-3
PP:  2-1 vs Redlands; 1-2 vs CLU; ?? vs Chapman;   Total head-to-head ??   Current = 3-3

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Forget the polls 
Best 6 should go to the West Regional. No fly in's 
All conferences have Conference tourney's to determine Pool A bids in 2015

ASC
Concordia-Texas 21-6
Texas-Tyler 19-8

NWC
Pacific Lutheran 20-8
Linfield 21-9

SCAC
Texas Lutheran 20-9
Trinity 19-9

SCIAC 
Cal Lutheran 20-9
Chapman 20-9
Pomona-Pitzer 20-9
Redlands 20-9

So by that reasoning the other regions should get the same consideration. With that logic some pretty sucky teams may get to regional's, every year. I for one do not like it. There have been teams in the past that have gone to a regional outside their area and done well.  Or should this rule only be in for the west? Sorry if I am misinterpreting the Smileys.

[bzzboyz]

Forget the polls 
Best 6 should go to the West Regional. No fly in's 
All conferences have Conference tourney's to determine Pool A bids in 2015



SCAC
Texas Lutheran 20-9
Trinity 19-9

Just trying to figure out your reasoning for including (at this point) a team that is 4-5 in conference. Lost two series to teams above them. Stands in 4th place in conference by just a single game with a series to come up against the team behind them. I get reputation, but just like the team moms that vote in the polls, take a look at what they have done so far this year before making "predictions".

Here's the SCAC standings for those who can't seem to find them.


http://www.scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/standings 

[108 Stitches]

For those who are not familiar - Crash takes a snap shot at any given week and ranks the teams in each division and gives his opinion on the overall top teams in the West by conference.  I don't believe it is intended to be what the final projections for all of the conferences, just a snapshot at the moment.

bzzboyz: It is based on body of work not necessarily conference standings at the moment. Trinity has already played the top teams in the division and only has left teams with a combined record of 6-23 while the teams above them will be beating up each other over the next three weeks. I agree somewhat and I would have put SW ahead of them except they lost 2-3 to a team that is 5-15 last weekend and Trinity split with a very good CTX team and crushed MHB that was 13-7 at the time.

While not perfect massy does a pretty good job of ranking teams asthmatically.

http://www.masseyratings.com/rate.php?s=cbase2015&sub=11620

[Teddy_Ballgame]

Forget the polls 
Best 6 should go to the West Regional. No fly in's 
All conferences have Conference tourney's to determine Pool A bids in 2015



SCAC
Texas Lutheran 20-9
Trinity 19-9

Just trying to figure out your reasoning for including (at this point) a team that is 4-5 in conference. Lost two series to teams above them. Stands in 4th place in conference by just a single game with a series to come up against the team behind them. I get reputation, but just like the team moms that vote in the polls, take a look at what they have done so far this year before making "predictions".

Here's the SCAC standings for those who can't seem to find them.


http://www.scacsports.com/sports/bsb/2014-15/standings 

Crash generally includes the teams within the conference sporting the best overall records. Southwestern may be ahead of Trinity in the conference standings (who still has half their conference schedule remaining), but they're 15-13 overall and have virtually no chance at a Pool C. Trinity has a strong enough overall record such that a run at the end of the year could still (maybe, possibly) leave them in the hunt for a Pool C.

Similarly, in the SCIAC La Verne is actually atop the standings but not included in Crash's list. They have an overall record of 17-11, and would have a tough time making any sort of run at a Pool C.

The reasoning seems pretty straightforward to me.

[CrashDavisD3]

Once conference tournaments begin it is a new season for the teams involved. Win the conference tournament to get the Pool A bid to go to the regional.

Lose it and you could be done and stay home. Most years many 30 win teams have not made it to the regional tournaments and do not get Pool C bid.

BUT for a week to week opinion I use overall records. I know SOS is not factored in but I prefer wins on the field to form my opinion. SOS is flawed in my opinion.

[TexasBB]

The ASC used to have two divisions, so a conference tournament made sense as it was the only way to determine an overall champion. The ASC is smaller now and there are no longer two divisions. Unless something dramatic changes in the next couple of weeks, CTX will be the regular season champion. However, they do not get an automatic berth in the Regional. That place is set aside for the conference tournament champion. Any team could get hot for a short time and win the tournament. Thus CTX could be left out in the cold. Rewarding a long weekend's worth of work and discounting a whole season's worth of winning, does not appear to be the most equitable way of deciding a conference representation in the Regional.  For that reason alone, I am not in favor of a conference tournament unless the conference is large and has two divisions. Even then, I would limit it to a best of 3 playoff between the two division champions. To do otherwise, puts the entire regular season into a secondary role and cheapens the accomplishment.

[BamColt]

Concordia should be eligible for an at large. Completely dominating their conference, a few wins over quality teams in the TLU tourney, not to mention a split with Trinity.
Not sure what more they can do to get respect from the committee and get a bid if they fall short in the tourney. They are ranked in the top 10 in a few polls outside of D3.

[Ralph Turner]

So by that reasoning the other regions should get the same consideration. With that logic some pretty sucky teams may get to regional's, every year. I for one do not like it. There have been teams in the past that have gone to a regional outside their area and done well.  Or should this rule only be in for the west? Sorry if I am misinterpreting the Smileys.

Bishops Dad,
Welcome to the West Region,

We are kinda orphans out here.

Last year, the committee flew 2 outsiders to McMinnville.

Here is the link.

http://www.linfield.edu/sports/2014mcminnvilleregional.html.

IWU went 2 and BBQ.

UW-Stevens Point lost in the Finals to Linfield, but every UWSP game had a margin of 3 runs or less.

In 2013, every game in the West Regional was decided by 2 runs or less. Linfield won it all.  Here were the West Regional Teams.

Linfield
Cal Lutheran
Texas-Tyler
Pomona-Pitzer
Trinity (Texas)
Texas Lutheran

[Bishopleftiesdad]

And of coarse the D3 poll has nothing to do with the Pool C selection process. The regional committee will rank the teams and send their Rankings to the National Committee. The National Committee will then choose the Pool C bids.



TexasBB,
You really will not like how the NCAC decides the pool A bid. The NCAC is split into two not because of size but more because of geographic footprint.
The last weekend of conference play is called the crossover series.
The number one seeds from the east and west host the 4 seeds from the other division.
The number two seeds host the 3 from the other division.

These are best of 3 series. So a 4 can knock out a 1 by getting hot for 2 games.
The winners from these series play each other in a double elimination tourney.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

So by that reasoning the other regions should get the same consideration. With that logic some pretty sucky teams may get to regional's, every year. I for one do not like it. There have been teams in the past that have gone to a regional outside their area and done well.  Or should this rule only be in for the west? Sorry if I am misinterpreting the Smileys.

Bishops Dad,
Welcome to the West Region,

We are kinda orphans out here.

Last year, the committee flew 2 outsiders to McMinnville.

Here is the link.

http://www.linfield.edu/sports/2014mcminnvilleregional.html.

IWU went 2 and BBQ.

UW-Stevens Point lost in the Finals to Linfield, but every UWSP game had a margin of 3 runs or less.

In 2013, every game in the West Regional was decided by 2 runs or less. Linfield won it all.  Here were the West Regional Teams.

Linfield
Cal Lutheran
Texas-Tyler
Pomona-Pitzer
Trinity (Texas)
Texas Lutheran

Thanks Ralph I follow the west region from a distance but I am aware of the challenges. I am not sure there is a fair way to resolve this issue though. Because D3 is so regional based, as by design, it is hard to compare teams from disparate regions. I am not sure saving the west regional for all west teams is the answer. What does the NCAA say to the other regions?
The most fair way to do it would to have regional's and super regional's etc. But the NCAA and most D3 colleges would never go for that. The season would probably have to be extended or start the tourney earlier and have kids missing school.
There are many advantages playing in the South and west, but their are disadvantages as well.

And while IWU was 2 and done, they lost 1 run games. So they were not exactly blown away.

[CrashDavisD3]

Conference tourney is like 1st round of playoffs for D3. A mini regional. Win and move on. Lose and go home and maybe stay home if you dont get Pool C bid. Not a great way to do this but not sure how to fix this. Committee's do a poor job of picking Pool C teams in my opinion. Tough job indeed but ALWAYS a deserving team stays home. How do teams with a winning percentage at .750 stay home is hard to take.

Maybe a Pool C play in game. BUT it costs $$$

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Crash, any real fix is going to cost $$ you are right. So we deal with what we have. It could be worse. What if pool c went away, and you were left with pool A and B.

[CrashDavisD3]

Crash, any real fix is going to cost $$ you are right. So we deal with what we have. It could be worse. What if pool c went away, and you were left with pool A and B.

Your right.

[TexasBB]

Bishopsleaftydad,

The crossover method was incorporated in the old ASC tournament. Similar in week one 4 would play 1 and 2 would play 3 in each division. Then the winners would advance to week two for a double ellimination round. Never liked it much but it did make for more inclusion of teams.

The ASC is spread all over the place. Sul Ross State is located in Alpine, TX, in the west Texas Davis Mountain region. Louisiana College is located in Pinneville, La. The distance between these two schools is over 800 miles! There is nothing comparable to these distances with the Eastern Schools. That is comparable to OWU playing a conference game in Jacksonville, FL. The distances between the Confences in Texas, California and the North West are even more dramatic.  That is what truely makes the West region so much different than all the other regions. Thus that is why they should allow all 6 teams that go to the west regional to come from the west.