BB: Top Teams in West Region

[TexasBB]

I think UTT will get an at large bid if they win in the first round but loose in the second round of the ASC conference tournament. If they loose in the first round then they may not make it.  UTD will have over 30 wins as well. They need to win the ASC tournament to have a chance IMO.

[SoCalBaseballfan]

I think UTT will get an at large bid if they win in the first round but loose in the second round of the ASC conference tournament. If they loose in the first round then they may not make it.  UTD will have over 30 wins as well. They need to win the ASC tournament to have a chance IMO.

In my opinion 30 win teams be at the top of the list to get a bid. Sorry I hate to see 20 win teams get in over 30 win teams. Winning on the field is what counts. 4 losses to high SOS teams just dont count much for me

[SoCalBaseballfan]

I think UTT will get an at large bid if they win in the first round but loose in the second round of the ASC conference tournament. If they loose in the first round then they may not make it.  UTD will have over 30 wins as well. They need to win the ASC tournament to have a chance IMO.

In my opinion 30 win teams be at the top of the list to get a bid. Sorry I hate to see 20 win teams get in over 30 win teams. Winning on the field is what counts. 4 losses to high SOS teams just dont count much for me

[Jack Parkman]

I think UTT will get an at large bid if they win in the first round but loose in the second round of the ASC conference tournament. If they loose in the first round then they may not make it.  UTD will have over 30 wins as well. They need to win the ASC tournament to have a chance IMO.

In my opinion 30 win teams be at the top of the list to get a bid. Sorry I hate to see 20 win teams get in over 30 win teams. Winning on the field is what counts. 4 losses to high SOS teams just dont count much for me

Are you saying SOS should have nothing to do with ranking teams?  If a team wins 25 games with a high SOS they deserve it much more than a team with 30 wins that played a bunch of cupcakes.  That's the #1 reason the West rankings are the way they are.  Some teams took it upon themselves to play a strong scheduled and others didn't.  We had this same discussion last year with Oxy as they had 32 wins (I think) but they stayed home because they played an awful schedule.  They would have been in the same boat this year had they not collapsed over the last few weeks.  This is nothing new, some choose to do it and others don't. 

[SoCalBaseballfan]

I think UTT will get an at large bid if they win in the first round but loose in the second round of the ASC conference tournament. If they loose in the first round then they may not make it.  UTD will have over 30 wins as well. They need to win the ASC tournament to have a chance IMO.

In my opinion 30 win teams be at the top of the list to get a bid. Sorry I hate to see 20 win teams get in over 30 win teams. Winning on the field is what counts. 4 losses to high SOS teams just dont count much for me

Are you saying SOS should have nothing to do with ranking teams?  If a team wins 25 games with a high SOS they deserve it much more than a team with 30 wins that played a bunch of cupcakes.  That's the #1 reason the West rankings are the way they are.  Some teams took it upon themselves to play a strong scheduled and others didn't.  We had this same discussion last year with Oxy as they had 32 wins (I think) but they stayed home because they played an awful schedule.  They would have been in the same boat this year had they not collapsed over the last few weeks.  This is nothing new, some choose to do it and others don't.

SOS should count for wins. Not a big fan of how it helps teams with that loses against high SOS teams. Just showing up dont count for me. I would not toss it out just use it differently. Many programs dont have much say in SOS especially those conferences that have bottom SOS teams in their conference. This an annual argument that I will never win but all you big fans of 20 win teams with high SOS gets in. Sorry I just dont support it.

The season is really has many parts. Win to get into your conference tourney, Win Conference tourney to get to the Regionals, Win the Regionals to get to the Championship Series.I am also ok with elimination of all Pool B and Pool C bids and win to get in tournament. I know another argument I will lose. I just have seen committee's do bad jobs many times picking teams.

[Ralph Turner]

SoCalBf,

Pool B is the allocation of bids for independents, conferences in transition for membership, new conferences in their first 2 years and conferences that do not have the required 7 Full Members.

The denominator of the calculation is determined by the number of teams of eligible Pool A conferences divided by the number of Pool A conferences.

Let's say that ratio is 8.4.

Let's say that there are 24 Pool B teams. Pool B will get 24/8.4 = 2.86 bids which is truncated down to 2.

[Jack Parkman]

Regional Rankings as of 5/4/17

1. Centenary
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Linfield
4. UT Tyler
5. Concordia (TX)
6. Chapman
7. UT Dallas
8. Trinity (TX)

Trinity moves into the 8 spot which helps Centenary by having more games with regionally ranked opponents. 

The ASC tournament is huge for Tyler and UT Dallas in regards to Pool C bids.  Both of them better root for Cal Lu this weekend as neither is guaranteed a Pool C bid.  With the SCIAC wrapping up this week it should paint a decent picture before next weeks bids.

[SoCalSoxFan]

West Region:Regional rankings 1

Rank   School   Regional Record   Overall record
1.   Linfield                    28-11          28-11
2.   Cal Lutheran              25-9          25-9
3.   Texas-Tyler             27-5          31-5
4.   Centenary (La.)         27-7          27-7
5.   Concordia-Texas    24-10         24-13
6.   Texas-Dallas            25-7         28-9
7.   Chapman                    22-12         22-12
8.   Willamette            28-14           28-14

Wow, a bit surprised by the order of 1-3.
SOS seems to have benefited Linfield and CLU over Texas Tyler

Linfield  = 5
CLU   = 32
Texas Tyler   = 90

West                                                         Vs Last week
1.   Centenary (Louisiana)      30-8      34-8                 +3
2.   Cal Lutheran                      27-10   27-10                -- 
3.   Linfield                              30-13    30-13                -2
4.   Texas-Tyler                      29-6      33-6                  -1
5.   Concordia University Texas   26-11   26-14                --
6.   Chapman                              25-12   25-12                +1
7.   Texas-Dallas                      28-7      31-9                  -1
8.   Trinity (Texas)                      25-15   27-15                NR

Big jump by Centenary to #1
CLU stayed at #2
Linfield 2-2 last week, resulting in drop from #1 to #3.

[SoCalSoxFan]

Regional Rankings as of 5/4/17

1. Centenary
2. Cal Lutheran
3. Linfield
4. UT Tyler
5. Concordia (TX)
6. Chapman
7. UT Dallas
8. Trinity (TX)

Trinity moves into the 8 spot which helps Centenary by having more games with regionally ranked opponents. 

The ASC tournament is huge for Tyler and UT Dallas in regards to Pool C bids.  Both of them better root for Cal Lu this weekend as neither is guaranteed a Pool C bid.  With the SCIAC wrapping up this week it should paint a decent picture before next weeks bids.

While I was typing.. you posted the update!   Good point on Trinity's ranking helping Centenary!

[Ron Boerger]

Except the NCAA's evaluation sheet shows Centenary as 1-1 vs RROs.   They are 3-3 against Trinity (1-2 RS, 2-1 SCAC championships) and 1-1 against UT-T. 

[108 Stitches]

Great... Trinity gets a participation trophy 
At least the should be back in the mix next year.

UTT, UTD, cTX and Chapman all have their conference tournaments left and all of them will need to get to the championship game to have a chance of a at large bid. The ASC teams will be rooting for CLU and other high seeds around the country. 

[TexasBB]

Trinity is 0-2 against UTT. Against the Ranked opponents UTT is 3-1. Beat Trinity twice and split with Centenary. They went 2-1 on the road last weekend against a good East Texas Baptist team that has won 28 games. With that series UTT won the regular season ASC championship.  Yet they dropped in the regional rankings. Centenary gets a big boost for splitting with Trinity and UTT gets a boot loosing a spot. Go figure.  This could all change once the ASC tournament is finished. If things go as expected UTT and UTD will win their respective 4 team tournaments this weekend and meet next week in a best of 3 final. So if that holds the winner will get 2 wins against a ranked opponent. Thus UTT could end up 5-1 against regionally ranked teams if they win this weekend and sweep the following. If that happens they will be the 1 seed.  Of course they could also loose this weekend and be a spectator at their ownfield for the regionals. Everything is still fluid.

[TexasBB]

I forgot to point out that UTT and CTX are in the same bracket this weekend so one of those teams could get two wins against a current ranked opponent. Of course the looser is likely to fall out of the regional ranking.

[SoCalSoxFan]

CLU is currently 4-1 vs Regional Rank;  3-0 vs Chapman and 1-1 vs Linfield.
We will know later today if they will play Chapman tomorrow morning in SCIAC conf tourney.

As an aside, They were 1-0 against Williamette, who dropped out of Rankings this week.

[TexasBB]

One other interesting point. When the ASC did its internal rankings for the conference tournament they had East Texas Baptist ranked 3 and CTX 4. East Texas Baptist is in the Red bracket hosted by UTD the #2 ranked team. CTX is in the Blue bracket hosted by #1 UTT.  East Texas Baptist had a better record in the ASC and overall 18-6 and 27-13 than did CTX 16-8 and 26-14 but is not ranked in the regionals. Again go figure.