2012 Division III NCAA Tournament

[onetinsoldier]

Must be a little of an upset that Amherst isn't hosting over F&M.

from what i'm reading, its an issue of fairness.  the Amherst women have the right in even number years to host, which is why the men cannot. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Thanks.  I didn't really look at the women's hosting site. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Aside from IWU's big win over Hope, what's the next biggest upset of the tourney?

Was it Becker topping William Paterson in the 1st round?

Maybe Carroll U. over Transylvania in the 1st round?

Farmingdale State over Hartwick in the 1st round?

Trinity (TX) over Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 1st round?

Edgewood over River Falls in the 1st round?

I think it could be Carroll over Transy.  Carroll was 4th best in a weak MWC and pulled wins to take the conf. tourney. 

Edgewood over River Falls, possibly, but River Falls isn't very experienced in the NCAAs and Edgewood, despite not winning the NATHCON was supposed to be the best team in the conference.

6 host teams lost in the 1st round, 3 more in the 2nd round.  I think that's correct.

[onetinsoldier]

Aside from IWU's big win over Hope, what's the next biggest upset of the tourney?

Was it Becker topping William Paterson in the 1st round?

Maybe Carroll U. over Transylvania in the 1st round?

Farmingdale State over Hartwick in the 1st round?

Trinity (TX) over Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 1st round?

Edgewood over River Falls in the 1st round?

I think it could be Carroll over Transy.  Carroll was 4th best in a weak MWC and pulled wins to take the conf. tourney. 

Edgewood over River Falls, possibly, but River Falls isn't very experienced in the NCAAs and Edgewood, despite not winning the NATHCON was supposed to be the best team in the conference.

6 host teams lost in the 1st round, 3 more in the 2nd round.  I think that's correct.

i tried to create some metrics to develop potential game lines.  i know its off the radar, but i think a huge upset was scranton over Becker.  Becker had been playing phenomenal defense, and not just the loss but the way they lost was a shocker in my opinion.  I also think Birm So's early exit was a surprise. 

[Greek Tragedy]

i tried to create some metrics to develop potential game lines.  i know its off the radar, but i think a huge upset was scranton over Becker.  Becker had been playing phenomenal defense, and not just the loss but the way they lost was a shocker in my opinion.  I also think Birm So's early exit was a surprise.

I admittedly don't know much about those teams.  But, Becker was barely ranked in the regional rankings and their SOS was pretty bad.  Not sure how many people will agree with you about your assessment of Birm-So either.  They had that gaudy record, but their SOS was horrible.  Wittenberg, on the other hand, had a very high SOS, was 6-1 vs Regionally Ranked Opponents in the last publicly released rankings.  The conference also got TWO other bids, which tells me the conference is very strong.  Some even thought Birm-So. shouldn't have even received a Pool C bid. 

On the other hand, Franklin & Marshall had an equally bad SOS and gaudy record and their hosting a Sweet 16 sectional (though they were Pool A)!

[augie_superfan]

Using my system's tournament odds calculation, there were two upsets that really stood out in round 1:

Trinity (Texas) winning @ Mary Hardin-Baylor   (11.9% chance of happening)
Edgewood winning @ UW-River Falls  (13.4% chance of happening)

For the second round:

Nothin too major but these 3 games all had the underdog @ about 40-41% chance:

IWU over Hope
NCC over Wash U. (although NCC is playing much better than their ranking shows)
Scranton over Becker

[diehardfan]

You could have linked to the D3hoops.com bracket, you know...

Bahaha! When he did that I immediately thought back to all those times Pat would say something like this. I am so glad nothing has changed here.

[Pat Coleman]

Only that Dave is the one saying it now, not me.

[Hugenerd]

You could have linked to the D3hoops.com bracket, you know...

And yes, I suspect Wooster will be given the nod... since they did not travel and Wittenberg did, it gives the indication that Wooster was ranked higher than Witt. In that case, unless there is a geographical reason, the high ranked team tends to hold onto the hosting opportunity.

As for F&M, the hook might be Cabrini... will the NCAA reward both MA teams a hosting chance and bring everyone to them... or will they reward it to just one of them to keep one of those pods in the Northeast... that is where geography may become a factor.

Just some thoughts as I sit at the airport in Louisville getting ready to board my plan... ronk, I am well... but clearly this area is shook up from Friday's storms. Worse in Kentucky history, apparently, and Friday was interesting (we did have to go to below ground on court level, but never had to get into the locker rooms for safety).

I also heard several stories of a few degrees of separation from those killed, homes destroyed, or near misses... my thoughts and prayers are certainly in Kentucky and Indiana (along with Tennessee) after Friday's experience.

D3hoops bracket wasn't updated when I posted that, or I would have.

[njachoopsfan]

Amherst can't host because the women are.

I seem to remember one year where both the men and women of one school hosted the same round..

[njachoopsfan]

Aside from IWU's big win over Hope, what's the next biggest upset of the tourney?

Was it Becker topping William Paterson in the 1st round?

Maybe Carroll U. over Transylvania in the 1st round?

Farmingdale State over Hartwick in the 1st round?

Trinity (TX) over Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 1st round?

Edgewood over River Falls in the 1st round?

I think it could be Carroll over Transy.  Carroll was 4th best in a weak MWC and pulled wins to take the conf. tourney. 

Edgewood over River Falls, possibly, but River Falls isn't very experienced in the NCAAs and Edgewood, despite not winning the NATHCON was supposed to be the best team in the conference.

6 host teams lost in the 1st round, 3 more in the 2nd round.  I think that's correct.

I would say Becker over William Paterson.   Where is Becker from?

[Pat Coleman]

Amherst can't host because the women are.

I seem to remember one year where both the men and women of one school hosted the same round..

Not in the sectionals. A year when each played one game on a Saturday? Sure, that's happened before. But not when you would have to have eight teams in the building at once.

[njachoopsfan]

Amherst can't host because the women are.

I seem to remember one year where both the men and women of one school hosted the same round..

Not in the sectionals. A year when each played one game on a Saturday? Sure, that's happened before. But not when you would have to have eight teams in the building at once.

I knew it happened, wasn't sure of the specifics.   That would be a logistical nightmare...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Aside from IWU's big win over Hope, what's the next biggest upset of the tourney?

Was it Becker topping William Paterson in the 1st round?

Maybe Carroll U. over Transylvania in the 1st round?

Farmingdale State over Hartwick in the 1st round?

Trinity (TX) over Mary Hardin-Baylor in the 1st round?

Edgewood over River Falls in the 1st round?

I think it could be Carroll over Transy.  Carroll was 4th best in a weak MWC and pulled wins to take the conf. tourney. 

Edgewood over River Falls, possibly, but River Falls isn't very experienced in the NCAAs and Edgewood, despite not winning the NATHCON was supposed to be the best team in the conference.

6 host teams lost in the 1st round, 3 more in the 2nd round.  I think that's correct.

I would say Becker over William Paterson.   Where is Becker from?

Becker is from outside Worcester, MA.  They've been on the cusp of a minor breakthrough for several seasons now.  William Patterson was probably overrated.

I think Trinity over MHB is probably the biggest upset.  Trinity was the third? best team in their conference this year.

Carroll over Transy is another option, but no one was quite sure what to make of Transy this year.

[7express]

I would say Becker over William Paterson.   Where is Becker from?

They have campus in Leicester and Worcester, MA no more than 10 minutes down the road from each other, but I think the gym is on the Leicester campus.