2013 Division III NCAA Tournament

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bah - this tourney schedule feels like football season!  Games just once a week, then a long wait for the next one.

[madzillagd]

Bah - this tourney schedule feels like football season!  Games just once a week, then a long wait for the next one.

Yep, this is painful.  If you win you get rewarded with sitting around another week.   

[Just Bill]

If I was the home team, I'm not sure if I'd even practice on Monday and Tuesday. Maybe a light shooting workout and film on Tuesday, full practice Wednesday and Thursday, and your 90 minute NCAA workout on Friday. I wonder how teams are treating it.

[ziggy]

If I was the home team, I'm not sure if I'd even practice on Monday and Tuesday. Maybe a light shooting workout and film on Tuesday, full practice Wednesday and Thursday, and your 90 minute NCAA workout on Friday. I wonder how teams are treating it.

Calvin has been on the road but they took a similar approach last week and will again this week according to the Hoospville interview with Kevin Vande Streek last Sunday night. Although if I remember correctly, coach said they went light on Monday, completely off on Tuesday then hard on Wednesday.

[magicman]

NCAA won-lost records by region

Atlantic              0-4

East                  5-2

Great Lakes       3-3

Mid Atlantic       5-2

Midwest            4-4

Northeast         4-7

South              5-5

West               4-3

[sac]

Bah - this tourney schedule feels like football season!  Games just once a week, then a long wait for the next one.

Just 4 1/2 weeks to go

lets never do this again.

[magicman]

Bah - this tourney schedule feels like football season!  Games just once a week, then a long wait for the next one.

Just 4 1/2 weeks to go

lets never do this again.

The NCAA will probably drag this format out again when the 100th anniversary rolls around in 25 years. I doubt that I'll be around to witness it though.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Bah - this tourney schedule feels like football season!  Games just once a week, then a long wait for the next one.

Just 4 1/2 weeks to go

lets never do this again.

The NCAA will probably drag this format out again when the 100th anniversary rolls around in 25 years. I doubt that I'll be around to witness it though.

Oh, such pessimism!  You'd only be 89 or 90 - my mom's still going strong at 95 (and my died died last spring at 93)!

(Of course, unlike me, they never smoked or drank. )

[sac]

I would put more money on there not being an NCAA or something entirely different in 25 years, than on celebrating 100 years.

[Knightstalker]

Just looking at the regionally ranked teams and not the SOS or anything like that, I'm trying to figure out what were true upsets in the 1st round.

I suppose Calvin over RHIT on the road was a slight upset, if any. 
Even though on the road, not sure if Concordia-Texas's win over Trinity was much of an upset.
Morrisville State over Ramapo was definitely an upset.
Randolph-Macon over Stevens is one.
I really don't think Dickinson over Marietta is one since it was at Dickinson.
Hampden-Sydney losing to Cabrini at home is one.
Ithaca winning on the road at Springfield is a slight upset.

What do you think?

Using efficiency/schedule adjusted efficiency I had only 3

Dickenson over Marietta.....but a home court adjustment might have made that a toss up
Cabrini over Hampden-Sydney
Ithaca over Springfield.....was actually a pretty big upset

sac,
Are you saying you don't think Morrisville State over Ramapo wasn't an upset?

Morrisville's eff was 1 point higher than Ramapo, adjusting for schedule Ramapo was 6 higher.   Its a close one.

The three I listed were the only 3 where the winner had a lower eff and adjusted eff. 

Whether I personally think it was an upset is a different question.

If the NCAA had allowed Ramapo to host Moo-Ville at the Bradley Center Moo-Ville would not have won.  The NCAA in it's narrow-mindedness regarding the sports betting issue in NJ screwed Ramapo.  The NCAA can't even police its own people properly.  NJ had not enacted sports betting yet because there was a Federal court decision that had to be made.  The law would have not allowed betting on any games involving NJ colleges or universities and illegal sports betting ie organized crime happens in every state and is much more likely to impact games then legal sports betting.  The undefeated 5th ranked MSU women are really getting screwed, they should be hosting games also.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The law is on the books... that is the key. The federal court decision to be made was per a lawsuit from the major pro sports AND the NCAA... it is in accordance to the 1992 federal law that prohibits many types of gambling in all states except Oregon, Montana, Nevada and Delaware where such laws allowing it were already on the books (even though Nevada was the only one using the laws). New Jersey was actually given a year after that law was passed to allow sports betting and be exempt as well, but chose not to do so.

The NCAA does not disallow any teams or venues from hosting events in Oregon, Montana or Delaware because sports betting, while being on the books and grandfathered in, is not actually done. You will notice the NCAA does not allow any tournament under the direction of the NCAA to be hosted in Nevada. The difference is that New Jersey passed a law that goes against the federal law and against NCAA bylaws (again the other states were grandfathered in) and if it wasn't for a lawsuit or court action would actually have sports betting taking place at this time.

When Delaware thought about acting on it's own laws... the NCAA warned them that if they did, any hosting opportunities for schools like Delaware State, Univ. of Delaware, and most importantly Wesley, would be pulled. When New Jersey then thought about passing this law... the NCAA and the schools in the state warned the legislature that if they did so, the NCAA would enact these bans - the state moved forward and so did the NCAA.

So please explain to me how the NCAA is narrow-minded in this issue? If you are saying this is unfair to Division III and possibly Division II teams where games are not usually bet on, I would agree. Thus the reason that apparently the Division III President's Council is looking into the matter and will most likely appeal to the NCAA that the line was drawn too far and should be pulled backward. Furthermore, if the NCAA and the major pro sports continue to win their case (two federal courts have now ruled against New Jersey) including, most likely, all the way to the Supreme Court, then New Jersey will be forced to get rid of the law and then the NCAA will pull the restrictions back since sports betting will no longer be an issue.

What I am basically saying is, this isn't new on the NCAA's part. It is in the by-laws and it is in their actions for a very long time. Does it hurt the Division III athletes? Absolutely... but that is something I think New Jersey legislature should be looking at themselves about, not people blaming the NCAA for something that isn't new. Of course, if New Jersey ends up winning their case (and the more people I talk to the less likely that seems), then a Pandora's Box will open with plenty more states probably enacting similar laws (as slots has shown with neighboring states) and then the NCAA is going to be in a major tough spot.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

NJ won't have to get rid of the law.  I lived there and voted on it.  The text of the law as presented says sports gambling will be legal if federal law allows it.

If the court case is shot down, the NJ law will still be on the books unless they do another vote to repeal.

I'm not sure how the NCAA will handle things when/if the court case is over, but the law remains.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

NCAA won-lost records by region

Atlantic              0-4

East                  5-2

Great Lakes       3-3

Mid Atlantic       5-2

Midwest            4-4

Northeast         4-7

South              5-5

West               4-3

What does this look like if you take out games played between two teams from the same region?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

NJ won't have to get rid of the law.  I lived there and voted on it.  The text of the law as presented says sports gambling will be legal if federal law allows it.

If the court case is shot down, the NJ law will still be on the books unless they do another vote to repeal.

I'm not sure how the NCAA will handle things when/if the court case is over, but the law remains.

Could be interesting, but if federal law and the courts prohibit it, then they couldn't push forward and thus the concern would be over from the standpoint of the pro sports and the NCAA... but it could be looked at from other angles to be sure.

[Just Bill]

If you are saying this is unfair to Division III and possibly Division II teams where games are not usually bet on, I would agree. Thus the reason that apparently the Division III President's Council is looking into the matter and will most likely appeal to the NCAA that the line was drawn too far and should be pulled backward.

This is my position. The state of New Jersey is hardly reaping a financial impact from Ramapo hosting games. If we were talking about a D-I Regional at the Meadowlands Arena it'd be different. But 1,000 fans for a D-III game shouldn't be on the radar.