2013 Division III NCAA Tournament

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frank uible

Does being a side show at Atlanta beat being a centerpiece at Salem?

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Quote from: frank uible on April 08, 2013, 06:39:16 PM
Does being a side show at Atlanta beat being a centerpiece at Salem?

That's a matter of perspective. I'm guessing the Amherst and UMHB players and fans did not feel like a side show on bit. To the college basketball fan at large and the national media, it probably was. To that I would say the side show is leaps and bounds better than irrelevance. Division III and II were part of the public consciousness in a way that has not been matched by tournaments past.

commish

FWIW - Just a quote from someone who was there ...

Though his Crusaders came out on the short end of the score, Mary Hardin-Baylor head coach Ken DeWeese felt strongly about continuing to play for the DIII title in such locales. So much so, in fact, that after reporters in the postgame news conference had finished with their questions, DeWeese asked to get on his "soapbox."

"NCAA was great," he began. "If this format does not become permanent, we're not doing the service for the student-athletes in the Division II and Division III levels that we possibly can. This is the greatest atmosphere in the world. If we don't, I think we're slighting our student-athletes.

"The experiences these guys have had, the way the NCAA people and the city of Atlanta have treated us, it is something each team should have an opportunity to aspire to get to. For Division II and Division III in college basketball, this is the best thing that's ever happened."

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Quote from: frank uible on April 08, 2013, 06:39:16 PM
Does being a side show at Atlanta beat being a centerpiece at Salem?

Frank----

Aside from what I suspect are very much right on point posts from Ziggy and Commish above, why don't you address letters to the basketball teams at Amherst and UMHB and ask them 2 questions:

1. Did you feel like a sideshow in Atlanta.
2. Was your experience in Salem any more enriching than the feeling you were left with in Atlanta?

They are the only people with the answers that really matter.  ;)

frank uible

So it's settled. Salem should be scuttled as soon as feasible.

Ralph Turner

I have re-assessed this from an ASC-Centric perspective.

Having the Elite8 and Final 4 games at "neutral site" Salem helps the ASC.

We have the best chance of getting home games thru the first three rounds.

In the 16 years of the ASC participation in D-III, the men have never hosted in the second weekend.  This gives them the best shot at neutralizing the geographical disparities.

Go for it!

frank uible

If certain colleges or conferences find themselves in the minority and sufficiently object to this new reality, then they can decline to participate - possibly like NESCAC does in football. They will survive as will the majority without them.

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Quote from: ziggy on April 08, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
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Quote from: AO on April 08, 2013, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: sac on April 08, 2013, 11:47:20 AM
What can't be answered is how much of that crowd was there for the novelty of it and how much would return each year if the option were available.  How much of that crowd was there because Phillips Arena is right across the street and right in the middle of NCAA festivities?
how much of that crowd is going to travel to Salem?

I guess all I'm asking is would people be as impressed with the turnout if only 4,000 showed up in Dallas or Houston?


....and for all I know they might get more in Dallas or Houston.

The best chance for success (as defined as a large crowd) is to make it easy on the people in town for the DI Final Four. This was accomplished in two important ways this weekend: free admission and the proximity of the two venues.

The NCAA could offer free admission no matter where the game is played but they have no control over where the buildings are within the host city. The fact that the Georgia Dome and Philips Arena are adjacent to one another likely played at least a small role in the overall attendance number.

I see Indianapolis and Houston as opportunities to replicate the experience, but Arlington is not set up as well. I know it was mentioned that UT-Arlington is only a couple miles away but even that distance is likely to keep some neutral butts out of the seats.

They'll still stay in Downtown Dallas hotels and drive out to the stadium.  There's not enough rooms near the football stadium to house an event like this.  They could play downtown and still have lots of people around.

I also suspect, as (if) the tradition builds, that more people will show up.  Why not bring your HS team or your youth team down to watch some free championship basketball?
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Hixon said similar nice things about the experience in Atlanta in his postgame news conference but also took pains to note that the format as it stands doesn't work and needs to be changed.
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frank uible

If the NESCAC football season ran for 5+ months as the NESCAC basketball season does, the NESCAC Presidents would throw a hissy fit.

AO

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I really don't think you have to change the schedule.  Making 2 teams wait 3 weeks to play in the title game is not a big deal.   The final two teams are always going to have the depth to get a good run during practice.  Plus, you give fans and families a better opportunity to make travel arrangements.   Don't listen to Tom Petty, waiting is the easiest part.

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If the tickets were free, was it general admission/sit where you want?
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Sort of.

Certain areas of the arena were closed, like the upper bowl and one section reserved for the coaches attending the NABC conference.

There was a designated section for each team's fan section and the fans were initially concentrated on one side of the court for television purposes.  But beyond those parameters, I think people could sit where they wanted.

Andy Archibald

I absolutely loved having the game in the same location as the D1 Final Four. Although i have never been to a championship game in Salem, i cant imagine how the atmosphere could compare to the D1 location. Getting to go downtown and visiting Bracket Town, catching the Braves game on Saturday night made it one awesome weekend.

I sure hope the NCAA can find a way to make this the norm going into the future!

Also, it was great finally getting to meet Pat before the game started.
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   CONF      TEAM      REC   
   NESCAC      Amherst       5-0   
   ASC      MHB       4-1   
   CCIW      NCC       4-1   
   MIAC      St. Thomas       4-1   
   CSAC      Cabrini       3-1   
   NESCAC      Middlebury       3-1   
   CAC      St. Mary's       3-1   
   NESCAC      Williams       3-1   
   MIAA      Calvin       2-1   
   E8      Ithaca       2-1   
   CCIW      IWU       2-1   
   NEAC      Morrisville       2-1   
   ODAC      RMC       2-1   
   ODAC      VWC       2-1   
   NWC      Whitworth       2-1   
   NCAC      Wooster       2-1   
   MACC      Alvernia       1-1   
   LAND      Catholic       1-1   
   USAC      CNU       1-1   
   ASC      Concordia-TX       1-1   
   SUNYAC      Cortland St.       1-1   
   CC      Dickinson       1-1   
   UAA      Emory       1-1   
   NCAC      Ohio Wes.       1-1   
   SUNYAC      Plattsburgh St.       1-1   
   LEC      RIC       1-1   
   UAA      Rochester       1-1   
   WIAC      Stevens Point       1-1   
   UAA      Wash. U.       1-1   
   CCIW      Wheaton       1-1   
   WIAC      Whitewater       1-1   
   NEWMAC      WPI       1-1   
   GNAC      Albertus Mag.       0-1   
   NATHCON      Aurora       0-1   
   SAA      Centre       0-1   
   CCC      Curry       0-1   
   MACF      Delaware Valley       0-1   
   IIAC      Dubuque       0-1   
   NECC      Elms       0-1   
   MASCAC      Fitchburg St.       0-1   
   LL      Hobart       0-1   
   ODAC      HSC       0-1   
   NAC      Husson       0-1   
   OAC      Marietta       0-1   
   NEWMAC      MIT       0-1   
   UMAC      Northwestern       0-1   
   AMCC      P.S. Behrend       0-1   
   NJAC      Ramapo       0-1   
   ODAC      Randolph       0-1   
   SCIAC      Redlands       0-1   
   HCAC      RHIT       0-1   
   NJAC      Rutgers       0-1   
   SLIAC      Spalding       0-1   
   NEWMAC      Springfield       0-1   
   MWC      St. Norbert       0-1   
   PrAC      St. Vincent       0-1   
   CUNYAC      Staten Island       0-1   
   E8      Stevens       0-1   
   SKY      SUNY-Purchase       0-1   
   HCAC      Transylvania       0-1   
   SCAC      Trinity       0-1   
   CAC      Wesley       0-1   
                  
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