Directors Cup

[Ralph Turner]

Click "Final Fall Standings" and "Final Winter Standings" to see sport by sport breakdown for each season.

Yes, and sorry that I did not elaborate.

I ran a quick test on McMurry.  We made the 2nd round in football, the first round in men's hoops and scored points in indoor and outdoor men's and women's track. The difference was 326.50 down to 207.131.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Click "Final Fall Standings" and "Final Winter Standings" to see sport by sport breakdown for each season.

Yes, and sorry that I did not elaborate.

I ran a quick test on McMurry.  We made the 2nd round in football, the first round in men's hoops and scored points in indoor and outdoor men's and women's track. The difference was 326.50 down to 207.131.

Just Bill and Ralph, I have done that repeatedly, and all I get is spring all over again.  Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Aha, finally found it!  Assuming I can still remember how to find the standings tomorrow, I should have a Top 20 up by tomorrow nite or Monday.  (I just did WashU for fall, just to convince myself it was all real!)

[Mr. Ypsi]

This is a bigger job than I anticipated - at least for someone with my primitive computing skill who has to tabulate by hand.  I'm finding it taking about 15 minutes per school per season!  But I AM making progress - just don't look for results before midweek!

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?  Who are the all-female schools?  (Since single-gender schools will inevitably slide way down the DC list, I'll take a special look at each of them to see if they would score high on the single-gender lists; otherwise, I figure if I take the top 30 or so schools, I'm unlikely to miss any high scorers on either list.)

[sunny]

Using the above 2010-2011 tallies (if anyone knows of a sport where 2011-2012 would be significantly different, let me know and I'll adjust, but these should be very close), here are the Participation Ratios I calculated:  (NOTE: for the denominator, I used the basketball totals, which were highest for each gender - thus they are 1.000; others are participating schools divided by 435 [women] or 412 [men].  Also note, I omitted sports with fewer than 40 schools; the PR would be too tiny to matter much for at least any of the top schools.)

WOMEN'S SPORTS:  basketball 1.000,  soccer .982,  volleyball .979,  cross country .943,  softball .936,  tennis .867,  outdoor track .639  swimming/diving .559,  indoor track .545,  lax .474,  golf .384,  field hockey .366,  ice hockey .113,  rowing .092.

MEN'S SPORTS:  basketball 1.000,  soccer .978,  cross country .942,  baseball .908,  tennis .794,  golf .711,  outdoor track .663,  indoor track .561,  football .553 (NOTE: since scoring for the DC is by national tourney placement, I subtracted the 10 NESCAC schools from the numerator),  swimming/diving .498,  wrestling .214,  ice hockey .172, volleyball .136.

I can quite easily calculate the spring sports, but unless someone can point me to the fall and winter sports' DC scores, fall and winter will be a total pain!  (Rather than reinvent the wheel for relative scoring, I plan to simply use the DC points times the PR.)

Where is men's lacrosse??

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks for the update. What are the trends so far? 

What is the average "discount" that you are finding?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Using the above 2010-2011 tallies (if anyone knows of a sport where 2011-2012 would be significantly different, let me know and I'll adjust, but these should be very close), here are the Participation Ratios I calculated:  (NOTE: for the denominator, I used the basketball totals, which were highest for each gender - thus they are 1.000; others are participating schools divided by 435 [women] or 412 [men].  Also note, I omitted sports with fewer than 40 schools; the PR would be too tiny to matter much for at least any of the top schools.)

WOMEN'S SPORTS:  basketball 1.000,  soccer .982,  volleyball .979,  cross country .943,  softball .936,  tennis .867,  outdoor track .639  swimming/diving .559,  indoor track .545,  lax .474,  golf .384,  field hockey .366,  ice hockey .113,  rowing .092.

MEN'S SPORTS:  basketball 1.000,  soccer .978,  cross country .942,  baseball .908,  tennis .794,  golf .711,  outdoor track .663,  indoor track .561,  football .553 (NOTE: since scoring for the DC is by national tourney placement, I subtracted the 10 NESCAC schools from the numerator),  swimming/diving .498,  wrestling .214,  ice hockey .172, volleyball .136.

I can quite easily calculate the spring sports, but unless someone can point me to the fall and winter sports' DC scores, fall and winter will be a total pain!  (Rather than reinvent the wheel for relative scoring, I plan to simply use the DC points times the PR.)

Where is men's lacrosse??

Thanks for catching that!  Men's lacrosse was played at 179 schools in 2010-2011, for a PR of .434.

(An especially embarassing omission, since my older son helped found the lax team at his high school, and was the first captain and leading scorer! )

Thanks for the update. What are the trends so far? 

What is the average "discount" that you are finding?

Too early to comment - I'm still on the fall sports and have done 16 schools so far!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Another request for assistance - I'm compiling (and will report) each gender separately (then adding them together for the overall standings), and primarily working with the DC overall standings to select schools to tabulate.  Even with the PR, this should work adequately well for getting the top schools overall, but it risks missing schools that are very good in one gender but not the other.  If anyone can think of schools which may be only barely top 50-60 overall, but where DC points may have come almost entirely from only one gender, please let me know and I will tabulate them.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

I find this very interesting +1 to Mr. Ypsi for all the hard work.

[Gregory Sager]

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?

St. John's, as well.

Who are the all-female schools?

Too many of 'em for me to name them all off of the top of my head.

[sunny]

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?

St. John's, as well.

Who are the all-female schools?

Too many of 'em for me to name them all off of the top of my head.

With the aid of Wikipedia, here's the list I came up with for women's Div. III. Apologies if I missed any.

Mills
St. Joseph's (CT)
Trinity Washington aka Trinity (DC)
Agnes Scott
Spelman
Wesleyan (GA)
St. Mary's (IN)
Notre Dame (MD)
Bay Path
Mount Holyoke
Pine Manor
Simmons
Smith
Wellesley
St. Benedict
St. Catherine
St. Elizabeth
New Rochelle
Meredith
Peace (now William Peace and co-ed, but no men's sports last year)
Bryn Mawr
Cedar Crest
Chatham
Wilson
Hollins
Mary Baldwin
Sweet Briar
Alverno
Mount Mary

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?

St. John's, as well.

Who are the all-female schools?

Too many of 'em for me to name them all off of the top of my head.

Thanks, Greg and Sunny.  Don't know how I forgot about the Johnnies - I'll check but don't think they had a year anywhere near the top ten.  None of those women's schools strike me as top ten material on the women's side - any I'm overlooking and should check out?  (I'm planning a top ten for each gender, plus a top 15, perhaps even 20, for overall.)

Some good news - like most any activity it gets more efficient with practice!  I'm down to probably 6-7 minutes per school per sport, and have completed fall and winter seasons for 31 schools.  I should have lists by at least Tuesday night, at which point people can suggest who I may have overlooked and need to tabulate!

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?

St. John's, as well.

Who are the all-female schools?

Too many of 'em for me to name them all off of the top of my head.

With the aid of Wikipedia, here's the list I came up with for women's Div. III. Apologies if I missed any.

Mills
St. Joseph's (CT)
Trinity Washington aka Trinity (DC)
Agnes Scott
Spelman
Wesleyan (GA)
St. Mary's (IN)
Notre Dame (MD)
Bay Path
Mount Holyoke
Pine Manor
Simmons
Smith
Wellesley
St. Benedict
St. Catherine
St. Elizabeth
New Rochelle
Meredith
Peace (now William Peace and co-ed, but no men's sports last year)
Bryn Mawr
Cedar Crest
Chatham
Wilson
Hollins
Mary Baldwin
Sweet Briar
Alverno
Mount Mary

Great job Sunny, the only one I would add is Salem College
+1

[sunny]

Wabash and Hampden-Sydney are the only all-male schools - correct?

St. John's, as well.

Who are the all-female schools?

Too many of 'em for me to name them all off of the top of my head.

With the aid of Wikipedia, here's the list I came up with for women's Div. III. Apologies if I missed any.

Mills
St. Joseph's (CT)
Trinity Washington aka Trinity (DC)
Agnes Scott
Spelman
Wesleyan (GA)
St. Mary's (IN)
Notre Dame (MD)
Bay Path
Mount Holyoke
Pine Manor
Simmons
Smith
Wellesley
St. Benedict
St. Catherine
St. Elizabeth
New Rochelle
Meredith
Peace (now William Peace and co-ed, but no men's sports last year)
Bryn Mawr
Cedar Crest
Chatham
Wilson
Hollins
Mary Baldwin
Sweet Briar
Alverno
Mount Mary

Great job Sunny, the only one I would add is Salem College
+1

Thanks! Forgot to type them in somehow, even though I spotted them on the Wikipedia list I was pulling from. Doh!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Earlier than I feared, here is the first (annual?):

                               YPSI CUP

  WOMEN

1.  WashU         461.9
2.  Amherst       445.8
3.  Williams        408.3
4.  Midd            402.9
5.  Tufts           379.1
6.  Emory          361.5
7.  JHU             319.7
8.  IWU             308.9
9.  Ithaca          305.8
10  UWEC          271.3
11  Cortland       271.2
12  Wartburg      250.8
t13  St. Thomas  246.6
t13  Salisbury     246/6
15  CMS            242.5
16  New Jersey   225.9
17  UWW           223.2
t18  Messiah      219.3
t18  MIT            219.3
20  Bowdoin       214.9


      MEN

1.  UWW            374.1
2.  WashU          317.9
3.  NCC              308.1
4.  Midd             294.7
5.  St. Thomas    291.7
6.  Amherst        242.9
7.  CMS             227.1
8.  Bowdoin        219
9.  Calvin           214.7
10  MIT             211
11  CNU             210.9
12  UWOsh         210.5
13  UWLaX         209.1
14  IWU             191.3
15  Emory           184.9
16  Cortland        182.8
17  Williams         176.6
18  JHU              164.8
19  Salisbury       164.7
20  Wabash         161.2


   TOTAL

1.  WashU            779.8
2.  Midd               697.6
3.  Amherst          688.7
4.  UWW              597.3
5.  Williams           585
6.  Emory             546.4
7.  St. Thomas      538.3
8.  Tufts              531.8
9.  IWU                500.2
10  JHU                484.5
11  CMS               469.6
12  Cortland          454
13  Bowdoin           433.9
14  MIT                 430.3
15  Calvin              413.2
16  Ithaca             412.7
17  Salisbury          411.3
18  UWEC              390.9
19  CNU                 383.2
20  OWOsh             366.2
21  NCC                 359.1
22  Messiah            350.4
23  Wartburg           342.1
24  Rowan              340.8
25  New Jersey        313.4
26  UMU                 306.3
27  Springfield         303.9