Directors Cup

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Mr. Ypsi

NOTE that I did NOT tabulate anywhere near all the schools.  In my judgement, it is highly unlikely that any other school would place higher than 16th or 17th in each gender, or higher than 24th overall, but if anyone has any likely candidates, let me know and I'll check them out.

Ralph Turner

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 18, 2012, 09:36:26 PM
Earlier than I feared, here is the first (annual?):

                               YPSI CUP

  WOMEN

1.  WashU         461.9
2.  Amherst       445.8
3.  Williams        408.3
4.  Midd            402.9
5.  Tufts           379.1
6.  Emory          361.5
7.  JHU             319.7
8.  IWU             308.9
9.  Ithaca          305.8
10  UWEC          271.3
11  Cortland       271.2
12  Wartburg      250.8
t13  St. Thomas  246.6
t13  Salisbury     246/6
15  CMS            242.5
16  New Jersey   225.9
17  UWW           223.2
t18  Messiah      219.3
t18  MIT            219.3
20  Bowdoin       214.9


      MEN

1.  UWW            374.1
2.  WashU          317.9
3.  NCC              308.1
4.  Midd             294.7
5.  St. Thomas    291.7
6.  Amherst        242.9
7.  CMS             227.1
8.  Bowdoin        219
9.  Calvin           214.7
10  MIT             211
11  CNU             210.9
12  UWOsh         210.5
13  UWLaX         209.1
14  IWU             191.3
15  Emory           184.9
16  Cortland        182.8
17  Williams         176.6
18  JHU              164.8
19  Salisbury       164.7
20  Wabash         161.2


   TOTAL

1.  WashU            779.8
2.  Midd               697.6
3.  Amherst          688.7
4.  UWW              597.3
5.  Williams           585
6.  Emory             546.4
7.  St. Thomas      538.3
8.  Tufts              531.8
9.  IWU                500.2
10  JHU                484.5
11  CMS               469.6
12  Cortland          454
13  Bowdoin           433.9
14  MIT                 430.3
15  Calvin              413.2
16  Ithaca             412.7
17  Salisbury          411.3
18  UWEC              390.9
19  CNU                 383.2
20  OWOsh             366.2
21  NCC                 359.1
22  Messiah            350.4
23  Wartburg           342.1
24  Rowan              340.8
25  New Jersey        313.4
26  UMU                 306.3
27  Springfield         303.9

Rank Conference Institution Final
1 NESCAC Middlebury (Vt.) 1040.75
2 UAA Washington University (Mo.) 980.25
3 NESCAC Williams (Mass.) 964.50
4 NESCAC Amherst (Mass.) 950.75
5 WIAC Wisconsin Whitewater 815.50
6 UAA Emory (Ga.) 727.00
7 NESCAC Tufts (Mass.) 724.75
8 MIAC St. Thomas (Minn.) 720.25
9 Centennial Johns Hopkins (Md.) 714.25
10 SUNYAC Cortland State (N.Y.) 673.50
11 NEWMAC Massachusetts Inst. of Tech. 659.25
12 CCIW Illinois Wesleyan 651.25
13 Capital Athletic Conference Salisbury (Md.) 643.00
14 SCIAC Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (Calif.) 610.50
15 WIAC Wisconsin Eau Claire 605.75
16 NESCAC Bowdoin (Maine) 594.00
17 WIAC Wisconsin Oshkosh 583.50
18 IIAC Wartburg (Iowa) 576.75
19 Empire 8 Ithaca (N.Y.) 570.00
20 NJAC New Jersey, College of 555.00
21 NEWMAC Springfield (Mass.) 547.25
22 CCIW North Central (Ill.) 523.00
23 USA South Christopher Newport (Va.) 485.00
24 MIAA Calvin (Mich.) 483.50
25 OAC Mount Union (Ohio) 480.25
26 NJAC Rowan (N.J.) 471.50
27 Middle Atlantic Conferences Messiah (Pa.) 466.00
28 WIAC Wisconsin La Crosse 461.25
29 OAC Ohio Northern 456.00
30 CCIW Carthage (Wis.) 447.75
31 WIAC Wisconsin Stevens Point 443.25
32 IIAC Coe (Iowa) 441.50
33 North Coast Denison (Ohio) 435.50
34 SCAC Trinity (Tex.) 422.00
35 SCIAC Redlands (Calif.) 417.00
36 Liberty League Skidmore (N.Y.) 409.50
37 USA South Methodist (N.C.) 406.50
38 UAA Chicago (Ill.) 405.00
39 MIAC Gustavus Adolphus (Minn.) 395.75
40 Empire 8 Stevens Institute of Tech. (N.J.) 384.50
41 MIAC St. Olaf (Minn.) 382.50

Ralph Turner

Thanks for the work. It is interesting.

NCF

Yes, thank-you! I like the NCC men's rank. :):) The women need to pick it up. If I remember correctly the only contributers on the women's side are the cc and two track teams. Hope you enjoyed doing this. +K
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Gregory Sager

Thanks, Chuck.

I was not as interested in what transpired at the top as much as what happened in the middle. Specifically, I wanted to see if North Park improved from a three-way tie for 229th, as I suspected that NPU's berth in the tourneys of two high-participant sports (men's soccer and baseball) as two of its' three points sources might lead to an improvement in the Ypsi Cup over what the Park had achieved in the Directors' Cup. Secondly, I wanted to see how the Ypsi Cup scoring broke up the massive sixteen-school logjam for 196th place that was one of the biggest ties in the Directors' Cup standings.

Here's how it came out, with the Directors' Cup standing, school name, and points total listed first, and the Ypsi Cup relative rank, school name, and points total listed second. Note that I don't actually have places for the Ypsi Cup, as that would entail calculating the scores of all of the schools above and below the schools listed:


DC Rank  School  DCPts    School  Ypsi Pts
196  Alma  75.00    William Paterson  75.00
196  Aurora  75.00    Maryville  74.48
196  Chapman  75.00    Randolph-Macon  73.95
196  Concordia TX  75.00    Hardin-Simmons  73.58
196  Drew  75.00    Chapman  73.40
196  Elms  75.00    Emanuel  73.00
196  Gwynedd-Mercy  75.00    Mount St. Mary  71.68
196  Hardin-Simmons  75.00    Alma  71.35
196  LaRoche  75.00    Concordia TX  70.40
196  Maryville  75.00    LaRoche  70.40
196  Mt. St. Mary  75.00    Aurora  69.95
196  New England  75.00    Shenandoah  69.95
196  Puget Sound  75.00    Randolph  62.59
196  Randolph-Macon  75.00    Drew  62.40
196  Shenandoah  75.00    New England  59.25
196  William Paterson  75.00    Brockport State  58.65
212  Emanuel  73.00    Manhattanville  56.45
213  Brockport State  70.50    Gwynedd-Marcy  55.83
214  Manhattanville  70.00    Elms  52.95
215  Sewanee  69.50    Rochester  51.66
216  Olivet  68.00    Puget Sound  50.94
217  Lehman  64.00    North Carolina Wesleyan  50.82
217  North Carolina Wesleyan  64.00    North Park  50.47
217  Randolph  64.00    Roger Williams  49.03
220  Greensboro  63.75    Simpson  48.77
221  Simpson  62.00    Lehman  47.16
222  Hamilton  61.50    Greensboro  45.33
223  Cornell  60.50    PSU-Harrisburg  38.34
224  Elmira  60.00    LaGrange  36.97
224  Wentworth  60.00    Sewanee  36.62
226  Colby-Sawyer  59.00    Hamilton  34.35
227  Concordia WI  58.00    Cornell  32.07
227  Plymouth State  58.00    Buena Vista  30.46
229  North Park  55.00    Concordia WI  26.91
229  Rochester  55.00    Colby-Sawyer  24.48
229  Roger Williams  55.00    Goucher  23.00
232  Goucher  53.00    Olivet  21.79
233  LaGrange  52.00    Elmira  10.32
234  PSU-Harrisburg  51.00    Wentworth  10.32
235  Buena Vista  50.50    Plymouth State    9.98

In all likelihood, NPU would jump 11 places to 218th.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr. Ypsi

Greg, I'm impressed!  (Fortunately you had a lot fewer scores to work with - the schools at the top had generally placed in at least 10-12 sports across all 3 seasons.  Though I was surprised to find - at least with having dropped all sports with fewer than 40 participating schools - that the Amherst women were the ONLY group where I had to drop a sport to keep to the maximum of 9 [wouldn't have changed any rankings; they lost 2.8 points for women's ice hockey].)

Ralph Turner

#81
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.


Gregory Sager

Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.

Ditto.

North Park is an example of a school that stands to gain every year from the switch to a Participation Ratio, because nine of NPU's 17 varsity sports have a PR over .9, and only one of the 17 (women's rowing) is below .5 -- and women's rowing is a sport in which it's unlikely that NPU will ever be nationally successful, given the northeastern-dominant nature of the sport.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

sunny

Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 19, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.

Ditto.

North Park is an example of a school that stands to gain every year from the switch to a Participation Ratio, because nine of NPU's 17 varsity sports have a PR over .9, and only one of the 17 (women's rowing) is below .5 -- and women's rowing is a sport in which it's unlikely that NPU will ever be nationally successful, given the northeastern-dominant nature of the sport.

Well, for rowing purposes, North Park is a Mid-Atlantic school -- as is Marietta, who repped the Mid-Atlantic at NCAAs this year. But your point is still valid.   ;D

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: sunny on June 19, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 19, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.

Ditto.

North Park is an example of a school that stands to gain every year from the switch to a Participation Ratio, because nine of NPU's 17 varsity sports have a PR over .9, and only one of the 17 (women's rowing) is below .5 -- and women's rowing is a sport in which it's unlikely that NPU will ever be nationally successful, given the northeastern-dominant nature of the sport.

Well, for rowing purposes, North Park is a Mid-Atlantic school -- as is Marietta, who repped the Mid-Atlantic at NCAAs this year. But your point is still valid.   ;D

In the CCIW, we sometimes jokingly refer to Augustana as the River (or West) Vikings, and North Park as the Lake (or East) Vikings - should Lake be changed to Ocean?! ;D

Mr. Ypsi


I ran four more schools; slight changes:

          REVISED YPSI CUP

  WOMEN

1.  WashU         461.9
2.  Amherst       445.8
3.  Williams        408.3
4.  Midd            402.9
5.  Tufts           379.1
6.  Emory          361.5
7.  JHU             319.7
8.  IWU             308.9
9.  Ithaca          305.8
10  UWEC          271.3
11  Cortland       271.2
12  Wartburg      250.8
t13  St. Thomas  246.6
t13  Salisbury     246/6
15  CMS            242.5
16  ONU            233.9
17  New Jersey   225.9
18  UWW           223.2
19  Carthage      220.1
t20  Messiah      219.3
t20  MIT            219.3


      MEN

1.  UWW            374.1
2.  WashU          317.9
3.  NCC              308.1
4.  Midd             294.7
5.  St. Thomas    291.7
6.  Amherst        242.9
7.  CMS             227.1
8.  Bowdoin        219
9.  Calvin           214.7
10  MIT             211
11  CNU             210.9
12  UWOsh         210.5
13  UWLaX         209.1
14  IWU             191.3
15  Emory           184.9
16  Cortland        182.8
17  Williams         176.6
18  JHU              164.8
19  Salisbury       164.7
20  Wabash         161.2


   TOTAL

1.  WashU            779.8
2.  Midd               697.6
3.  Amherst          688.7
4.  UWW              597.3
5.  Williams           585
6.  Emory             546.4
7.  St. Thomas      538.3
8.  Tufts              531.8
9.  IWU                500.2
10  JHU                484.5
11  CMS               469.6
12  Cortland          454
13  Bowdoin           433.9
14  MIT                 430.3
15  Calvin              413.2
16  Ithaca             412.7
17  Salisbury          411.3
18  UWEC              390.9
19  CNU                 383.2
20  OWOsh             366.2
21  NCC                 359.1
22  Messiah            350.4
23  Wartburg           342.1
24  Rowan              340.8
25  ONU                 340.6

I have shortened the lists slightly, and am now reasonably confident they do reflect the top finishers in each category.

(An aside: I commented earlier that the Amherst women were the only category that had a sport cut due to the maximum 9 sports per gender.  It didn't cost them here, since women's ice hockey only got them 2.8 PR points.  But, unless someone scored on the <40 schools sports than I omitted, it DID cost them third place in the DC to arch-rival Williams, since non-PR it was 25 points!)

Mr. Ypsi

Lest anyone pull out their hair looking for the changes: for the women, ONU enters at 16th and Carthage at 19th; no change for the men; ONU enters at 25th for overall.

I also checked out UWSP and Coe, but neither came particularly close to entering the lists.  Going any further down the DC overall list seemed pointless, unless someone is pretty sure a school not too much further down received nearly all their points from only one gender.

Gregory Sager

Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: sunny on June 19, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 19, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.

Ditto.

North Park is an example of a school that stands to gain every year from the switch to a Participation Ratio, because nine of NPU's 17 varsity sports have a PR over .9, and only one of the 17 (women's rowing) is below .5 -- and women's rowing is a sport in which it's unlikely that NPU will ever be nationally successful, given the northeastern-dominant nature of the sport.

Well, for rowing purposes, North Park is a Mid-Atlantic school -- as is Marietta, who repped the Mid-Atlantic at NCAAs this year. But your point is still valid.   ;D

In the CCIW, we sometimes jokingly refer to Augustana as the River (or West) Vikings, and North Park as the Lake (or East) Vikings - should Lake be changed to Ocean?! ;D

You keep saying that Augustana is the River Vikings, yet Augustana doesn't have a river running through its' campus, and North Park does.

(OK, so the North Branch of the Chicago River is a sorry excuse for a river ... but it still counts. ;))
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell

Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 19, 2012, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on June 19, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
Quote from: sunny on June 19, 2012, 06:33:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 19, 2012, 06:12:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2012, 09:34:46 AM
Greg, thanks for your work as well.

I want to propose that we would see compression of the standings at this point. Your logjam at 196 might actually move higher in the standings. We saw Plymouth St drop dramatically.  The "Participation Ratio" discount at this level is not as dramatic for the schools in this level. They are earning the points in the big 4-5(Hoops/Soccer/ XC/ WVB/SB-BB) and adding a few more points from the FB/Tennis/Golf/T&F/LAX/Swim&Diving middle range group of 5-6 sports.

I think that there will be several schools that fall below the "196 group" in the Directors Cup standings, just because they may have racked up points in the "minor sports".

There was very little re-arranging of the deck chairs overall, but I like the outcome even better.

Ditto.

North Park is an example of a school that stands to gain every year from the switch to a Participation Ratio, because nine of NPU's 17 varsity sports have a PR over .9, and only one of the 17 (women's rowing) is below .5 -- and women's rowing is a sport in which it's unlikely that NPU will ever be nationally successful, given the northeastern-dominant nature of the sport.

Well, for rowing purposes, North Park is a Mid-Atlantic school -- as is Marietta, who repped the Mid-Atlantic at NCAAs this year. But your point is still valid.   ;D

In the CCIW, we sometimes jokingly refer to Augustana as the River (or West) Vikings, and North Park as the Lake (or East) Vikings - should Lake be changed to Ocean?! ;D

You keep saying that Augustana is the River Vikings, yet Augustana doesn't have a river running through its' campus, and North Park does.

(OK, so the North Branch of the Chicago River is a sorry excuse for a river ... but it still counts. ;))

True, but Augie is near the 'Mighty Mississip' and North Park is near the largest lake entirely within the US.

Gregory Sager

Still, since NPU is on a river and Augie isn't, it's just easier to call North Park the Good Vikings and Augustana the Evil Vikings.
"To see what is in front of one's nose is a constant struggle." -- George Orwell