Pool C -- 2012

[smedindy]

Right you are, Wally. It was Curry, to the apoplexy of many, that got a "C" in 2008 and of course they won their first playoff game that year over Ithaca.

[Ralph Turner]

In other words, the South is the cannibalistic region this year.

November 11th   HSU at LaCollege  We will have a couple of Regional Rankings to find out if this will be the 3rd or the 4th Regionally Ranked team for HSU this year.  HSU has played Linfield, Willamette and UMHB.


I also think that the East has done a good job of cannabilizing itself, too. Barring an upset in the last 2 weeks, all of the Pool C's in the East may have at least 2 in-region losses.

[Ralph Turner]

As for LaCollege, "in-region results" means they went 0-2 against #1 and probably no worse than #3 (if JHU is at #2) in the regional rankings.

For the newbies on the board, 0-0 versus in-region ranked teams is considered less favorably than a team that schedules hard games...most of the time.

[Upstate]

Right you are, Wally. It was Curry, to the apoplexy of many, that got a "C" in 2008 and of course they won their first playoff game that year over Ithaca.

Was actually Curry's (as well as the conference's) second NCAA win that year. The year before Curry beat fellow Empire 8 team Hartwick in the first round if the NCAAs...

[wesleydad]

In other words, the South is the cannibalistic region this year.

November 11th   HSU at LaCollege  We will have a couple of Regional Rankings to find out if this will be the 3rd or the 4th Regionally Ranked team for HSU this year.  HSU has played Linfield, Willamette and UMHB.


I also think that the East has done a good job of cannabilizing itself, too. Barring an upset in the last 2 weeks, all of the Pool C's in the East may have at least 2 in-region losses.

next weeks rowan/kean matchup could very well make that happen.  i think rowan is the favorite but i expect it to be a good game.  the east and south could be looking at being shut out in pool c if there are no 1 loss teams on the board.  that would be a shame because there are some really good 2 loss teams sitting there as of today, huntigdon and La college come to mind right away.  i think hardin simmons fits to since i believe 1 of their losses was not a d3 loss.  thats what makes this a lot of fun.

[Ron Boerger]

HSU has lost to Linfield, Willamette, UMHB - three very good D3 teams! 

[wally_wabash]

Here are the 1-loss teams remaining in Pool C:

-Wabash or Wittenberg (one will likely win the AQ, the other goes to Pool C)
- OWU (hard to find a scenario that favors the Bishops for the NCAC AQ)
- Elmhurst
- Heidelberg
- Baldwin-Wallace (probably has a second loss coming via UMU)
- Rowan
- Bethel
- Concordia-Moorhead
- Illinois College

And that's it.  9 teams, one is almost certainly going to lose a second time (BW), another has a strong test coming (Concordia-Moorhead).  Elmhurst also has a game left with IWU which is not a gimme, especially if IWU can collect themselves a bit between now and 11/10. 

Re: Louisiana College and the South's at-large pecking order...Right now, I think Huntingdon may remain slightly ahead of LC.  The order there is going to really rely on whether or not Millsaps squeezes into the regional rankings this week or next.  If they do, Huntingdon almost certainly stays ahead of LC.  If not, then you could see LC as the first team on the board from the South region.  Huntingdon also has a game with 1-loss Adrian who could sneak into a regional ranking so keep an eye on that as well. 

[HScoach]

Here are the 1-loss teams remaining in Pool C:

-Wabash or Wittenberg (one will likely win the AQ, the other goes to Pool C)
- OWU (hard to find a scenario that favors the Bishops for the NCAC AQ)
- Elmhurst
- Heidelberg
- Baldwin-Wallace (probably has a second loss coming via UMU)
- Rowan
- Bethel
- Concordia-Moorhead
- Illinois College

And that's it.  9 teams, one is almost certainly going to lose a second time (BW), another has a strong test coming (Concordia-Moorhead).  Elmhurst also has a game left with IWU which is not a gimme, especially if IWU can collect themselves a bit between now and 11/10. 

Re: Louisiana College and the South's at-large pecking order...Right now, I think Huntingdon may remain slightly ahead of LC.  The order there is going to really rely on whether or not Millsaps squeezes into the regional rankings this week or next.  If they do, Huntingdon almost certainly stays ahead of LC.  If not, then you could see LC as the first team on the board from the South region.  Huntingdon also has a game with 1-loss Adrian who could sneak into a regional ranking so keep an eye on that as well.

Heidelberg has a tough road to get to 9-1.   They have 6-2 John Carroll this week and then Baldwin Wallace to finish the season.   If they make it to 9-1, they'll be well prepared for their first ever playoff game.

[smedindy]

FYI, just saw a tweet from the NCAC that 'it's the same tiebreakers as always'. I think Wally worked out on the NCAC board that Witt would win a three way knot and I guessed that it would win the AQ on a four way tie.

[wabndy]

Are pool A bids seeded higher than pool C? Namely, if Wabash gets a pool C and Witt gets the AQ, would Witt probably get the higher seed? Pat- didn't someone on the committee tell you last year or the year before that they "never" released seedings?

[wally_wabash]

Are pool A bids seeded higher than pool C? Namely, if Wabash gets a pool C and Witt gets the AQ, would Witt probably get the higher seed? Pat- didn't someone on the committee tell you last year or the year before that they "never" released seedings?

Pool A Wittenberg (10-0) got shipped off to Pool C ONU (9-1) a couple of years ago, so I don't think that's an absolute.  In this hypothetical, my guess is that there is essentially zero chance that Wabash would be seeded lower than Wittenberg.  As long as Wabash and Witt have the same record, and knowing Wabash beat Witt h2h, there just isn't a logical reason to seed Witt higher...and that's before we break down the other criteria, which strongly favor Wabash as well. 

[Pat Coleman]

Are pool A bids seeded higher than pool C? Namely, if Wabash gets a pool C and Witt gets the AQ, would Witt probably get the higher seed? Pat- didn't someone on the committee tell you last year or the year before that they "never" released seedings?

Yes, someone told me that. It was laughable and I provided evidence that this person's predecessor released seedings to us directly.

[wesleydad]

HSU has lost to Linfield, Willamette, UMHB - three very good D3 teams!

thanks ron for the correction.  that is one tough schedule, mirrors wesley's.  shame as they seem to be a rather strong team.

[Toby Taff]

HSU has lost to Linfield, Willamette, UMHB - three very good D3 teams!

thanks ron for the correction.  that is one tough schedule, mirrors wesley's.  shame as they seem to be a rather strong team.

Stronger now than at the beginning of the year. Talking to one of the coaches today I found out that HSUs QB didn't transfer until 2 a days. If he had been with the team a little sooner they might have been a force

[smedindy]

Current SOS rankings for the one loss "C" candidates:

Wabash -13
Wittenberg - 116
Ohio Wesleyan - 89
Elmhurst - 56
Heidelberg -208
Baldwin Wallace - 201
Rowan -93
Bethel -22
Concordia - Moorhead - 30
Illinois College -219

Others:
Pacific Lutheran - 9
Huntingdon - 12
Louisiana College - 49
Willamette - 4
Lycoming - 31
St. John Fisher - 46
UW - Platteville - 52
Centre - 115
Millsaps - 74
Kean - 131