Pool C -- 2012

[K-Mack]

Huntingdon L to Wesley ... any key wins?

Win over Hampden-Sydney and play Adrian week 11. #10 SOS that will go up with Adrian game.

Brain fried. I knew there were some. If Adrian sneaks in, you guys might be the first South at-large on the board.

Agree with you, Ypsi, about IWU playing without Gallik. 0-2 and outscored 74-7.

Dude, Adrian's already in.  We just have to beat them now for it to matter.

Dude, I mean sneak in to the regional rankings. Try to keep up. 

[smedindy]

Wabash is 2-0 against RR teams which may help against other two-loss teams. But will the committee overlook the two losses to Allegheny and Oberlin?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wabash is 2-0 against RR teams which may help against other two-loss teams. But will the committee overlook the two losses to Allegheny and Oberlin?

AND overlook that they may well finish FOURTH in a lackluster conference?

(Personally, I'm rooting for them to get in, but facts is facts.)

[NCF]

If NC, Elmhurst and Wheaton all win next week, what are the odds all three would make the play-offs.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If NC, Elmhurst and Wheaton all win next week, what are the odds all three would make the play-offs.

For NCC, 100% (AQ).  For Elmhurst, probably at least 90% (only one loss).  For Wheaton, VERY doubtful (pretty sure there are several 2-loss teams with more impressive resumes by the criteria).

(CCIW teams are hurt by the fore-shortened ranking process; one week earlier, IWU would definitely have been ranked.)

[K-Mack]

If NC, Elmhurst and Wheaton all win next week, what are the odds all three would make the play-offs.

I don't think all three are going to make it. If Wheaton hadn't lost to Albion, and they all won last next week, and everything else around the country was the same, then probably yes.

It's either gonna be Wheaton, if it wins and IWU wins, or NCC/Elmhurst.

If Wheaton wins and Elmhurst loses, then NCC has a shot in Pool C, but not a great one. We'll take a closer look tomorrow or throughout the week at the two-loss teams and corresponding scenarios.

[NCF]

Thanks, that's exactly what I thought.

[USee]

Wheaton will likely appear in this weeks regional rankings which will strengthen Elmhursts resume.  Wheaton is now a team w a win over a RRO.  Interesting stuff. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wheaton will likely appear in this weeks regional rankings which will strengthen Elmhursts resume.  Wheaton is now a team w a win over a RRO.  Interesting stuff.

Yeah, and if the regional rankings had followed the traditional schedule, NCC, Wheaton, and Elmhurst would all have an additional result, since (as I mentioned earlier) IWU would clearly have been ranked in those first rankings.  If only our expected #2 qb had not quit the team - geez, I hate going from 6-0 to a probable 6-4!  (I think Tyler Hook will eventually be just fine, but right now he is a hs qb going against men.)

[wally_wabash]

Here's the thing, especially in the North right now...you've got a few one-loss teams and now some newly minted two-loss teams but those two-loss teams have h2h wins over those one-loss teams.  This is extremely difficult to predict because I honestly have no idea how to order these teams right now. 

As far as what's going on here in the North, I think you project North Central as Pool A right now because Elmhurst is going to be a favorite against IWU (can the Titans rebound...sure they can, but would you bank on it...not me).  Thank the heavens for garbage time touchdowns, am I right Cards fans?!  So that throws Wheaton as a serious Pool C player right now because when the rankings come out Wheaton almost HAS to be in front of North Central...identical records, Wheaton has the h2h.  Seems an obvious move to me.  That'll make Wheaton 1-1, Elmhurst, and NCC all 1-1 vs RRO.  I think the relative order here has to be Elmhurst then Wheaton then NCC. 

Then what to do with Wabash...and consequently OWU and Wittenberg?  Wabash is 2-0 against RROs (THOSE RROs specifically).  Wabash also has a stronger SOS (strongest SOS of North region playoff hopefuls actually).  Do the h2h's, results vs RROs, and SOS trump the extra loss?  And then once you sort that all out, how do you mesh it all together into a ranking?  And the kicker here is that I don't think there is a right answer.  If Wabash winds up behind OWU and Witt and NCC and Wheaton it's completely understandable.  It's also understandable if Wabash winds up in front of all of those teams.  And anywhere in between.  And the same goes for the other teams...there's just no obvious way to order this thing right now. 

And that's just the North.  The West is muddy now, the South is a little less clear with F&M getting a big win.  The East seems to be less disturbed by today, but there's still some confusion over there (welcome to the party Bridgewater State). 

One thing that we do know for certain: there will be a 2-loss Pool C team this year.  Counting Rowan who has technically lost twice but not for oru purposes here, we've only got six 1-loss Pool C teams left. 

[Hawks88]

Huntingdon L to Wesley ... any key wins?

Win over Hampden-Sydney and play Adrian week 11. #10 SOS that will go up with Adrian game.

Brain fried. I knew there were some. If Adrian sneaks in, you guys might be the first South at-large on the board.

Agree with you, Ypsi, about IWU playing without Gallik. 0-2 and outscored 74-7.

Dude, Adrian's already in.  We just have to beat them now for it to matter.

Dude, I mean sneak in to the regional rankings. Try to keep up. 

Dude, they are in the regional rankings. You try to keep up. 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Huntingdon L to Wesley ... any key wins?

Win over Hampden-Sydney and play Adrian week 11. #10 SOS that will go up with Adrian game.

Brain fried. I knew there were some. If Adrian sneaks in, you guys might be the first South at-large on the board.

Agree with you, Ypsi, about IWU playing without Gallik. 0-2 and outscored 74-7.

Dude, Adrian's already in.  We just have to beat them now for it to matter.

Dude, I mean sneak in to the regional rankings. Try to keep up. 

Dude, they are in the regional rankings. You try to keep up. 

Keith, he got you there - Adrian was #8 North in the first rankings.

[Ralph Turner]

If Huntingdon beats Adrian and LaCollege beats HSU, then I see Wesley getting the Pool B and Huntingdon and LaCollege getting the Pool C bids from the South Region.

Does the East Region get more than 1 Pool C bid?

[pg04]

If Huntingdon beats Adrian and LaCollege beats HSU, then I see Wesley getting the Pool B and Huntingdon and LaCollege getting the Pool C bids from the South Region.

Does the East Region get more than 1 Pool C bid?

I don't think so. I think Rowan is probably the only team in the conversation.

[pg04]

However I do wonder if one more could sneak in if Widener lost. That may be the only other scenario.