Pool C -- 2012

[owudad]

OWU has the #1 QB in ALL of D3 football and a better SOS... something is wrong here!!!!

[HScoach]

OWU has the #1 QB in ALL of D3 football and a better SOS... something is wrong here!!!!

You're right.  You play in a weak conference and you didn't win it. 

That's what's wrong.

[Pat Coleman]

OWU has the #1 QB in ALL of D3 football and a better SOS... something is wrong here!!!!

Better SOS than whom?

[pg04]

OWU has the #1 QB in ALL of D3 football and a better SOS... something is wrong here!!!!

You're right.  You play in a weak conference and you didn't win it. 

That's what's wrong.

Although this is true for Bridgewater State too and somehow they made it in!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Not so crazy! 

Oh, still crazy - but accurate!

[smedindy]

Better SOS than who that was left on the table in "C"? The auto-bid is all on the NCAC.

[smedindy]

OWU has the #1 QB in ALL of D3 football and a better SOS... something is wrong here!!!!

You're right.  You play in a weak conference and you didn't win it. 

That's what's wrong.

They DID win it, just weren't the "A". And the OAC shouldn't REALLY talk about SOS this year, so that argument is invalid.

Heidelberg's SOS was 168 against the VAUNTED OAC. Yeesh.

[wally_wabash]

I appreciate all your hard work, Wally. Just really hoping you're wrong about PLU.

Entirely possible.  That's just how it fell out when I went through the process.  I would have guessed/assumed that PLU would have been the 3rd or 4th team in to be honest with you.  Just never know for sure until you start to line them up round by round. 

For giggles, I gave PLU an RRO win for Willamette.  And went through my process again.  I came up with: Elmhurst, PLU, Rowan, Bethel, H'berg, OWU, LC.  So, that's how much I think that RRO result matters.  It's the difference between PLU being passed over seven times in a row and being the second team in.

6 out of 7 (I picked OWU here, the committee picked BSU) and in hindsight I probably should have just assumed an RRO win for PLU after Saturday's results. 

I did not get 6 out of 7 when I didn't assume a PLU RRO win.  4 out of 7 there. 

I'd be curious as to why and how BSU jumped over Lycoming.  I know the ITH guys have been hammering on that as a possibility, but there isn't a good reason that I can find for it to have happened. 

In any case, congrats to everybody who got in and good luck over the next five weeks.  I'll spend some time this week going over the evolution of my pool C analyses and post anything interesting in here.  It's been fun digging a little deeper into this this year.  Lots of really, really good discussion in here over the last few weeks. 

[Pat Coleman]

I appreciate all your hard work, Wally. Just really hoping you're wrong about PLU.

Entirely possible.  That's just how it fell out when I went through the process.  I would have guessed/assumed that PLU would have been the 3rd or 4th team in to be honest with you.  Just never know for sure until you start to line them up round by round. 

For giggles, I gave PLU an RRO win for Willamette.  And went through my process again.  I came up with: Elmhurst, PLU, Rowan, Bethel, H'berg, OWU, LC.  So, that's how much I think that RRO result matters.  It's the difference between PLU being passed over seven times in a row and being the second team in.

6 out of 7 (I picked OWU here, the committee picked BSU) and in hindsight I probably should have just assumed an RRO win for PLU after Saturday's results. 

I did not get 6 out of 7 when I didn't assume a PLU RRO win.  4 out of 7 there. 

I'd be curious as to why and how BSU jumped over Lycoming.  I know the ITH guys have been hammering on that as a possibility, but there isn't a good reason that I can find for it to have happened. 

In any case, congrats to everybody who got in and good luck over the next five weeks.  I'll spend some time this week going over the evolution of my pool C analyses and post anything interesting in here.  It's been fun digging a little deeper into this this year.  Lots of really, really good discussion in here over the last few weeks.

Yeah -- I mean, I get that they heard that and we heard that too, but that doesn't make it the right choice. We won't put the wrong choice out there. Conference postseason results are part of the criteria and they should be considered when they're available.

[smedindy]

Wally,

Maybe Waynesburg was on the board and not Lycoming. That would make Bridgewater a better candidate?

[wally_wabash]

Wally,

Maybe Waynesburg was on the board and not Lycoming. That would make Bridgewater a better candidate?

Lycoming is East, Waynesburg South.  The thing is that Bridgewater State was behind Lycoming in the East in the RRs on Wednesday.  Today, something changed.  I don't know what.  It must have been the SOS movement on Saturday, but I really don't think that is significant enough a change to shuffle the order of the rankings. 

[smedindy]

Wally,

Maybe Waynesburg was on the board and not Lycoming. That would make Bridgewater a better candidate?

Lycoming is East, Waynesburg South.  The thing is that Bridgewater State was behind Lycoming in the East in the RRs on Wednesday.  Today, something changed.  I don't know what.  It must have been the SOS movement on Saturday, but I really don't think that is significant enough a change to shuffle the order of the rankings.

Whoops, got my regions mixed up...

Could the East have 'gamed' the system. As in "We don't think a 2-loss Lycoming will get in but a 1-loss Bridgewater may so let's put them ahead of Lycoming?"

[Pat Coleman]

They could have. But I had Salve on my board, not Lyco, for what it's worth.

[wone3]

 For the reason against Lyco, I would guess it had to do with SOS. Using that kind of stinks because the MAC in the past 2 years added a new team that hasn't had football and between the 2 in the past 2 years has only won 3 games (Stevenson was 1-X last year and 2-x this year, Misercordia was 0-10). I wonder if the committee took that in consideration? Granted 1 of Lyco's 2 losses was quality (loss in last min to Widener the AQ for the conference) and the other was an ugly week 1 lost to Brockport (24-2). Lyco had it in its hands to control and couldn't close out the Widener game. I can accept being left out because of the record and the Widener game since they couldn't close it out but I am wondering if it was looked at close.

(I am speaking this as a Lyco alum)

Pat, I am curious tho if you could find out why they paired UMHB and Mt Union together, because in mine and many people's opinions that should be the championship game if you want to showcase your best. I'm not saying the other side couldn't present a challenge but the stat odds were that UMHB and Mt Union would be the best 2.

[motorman]

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Heidelberg's SOS was 168 against the VAUNTED OAC. Yeesh.
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You want to compare Heidelberg's 1 loss to OWU? Berg gave the #1 team in the country their closest game, closer than AQ Franklin. OWU's loss was 28-0 to 2 loss Wabash.

OWU's SOS at .483 to Berg's .471 isn't a huge difference against the equally VAUNTED NCAC.