Pool C -- 2012

[AO]

Bishop #1Fan

You are obviously a relative newcomer.  Take some time, go back and read the boards.  Learn from posts by people that have  5 or 6 or more stars next to their screenname.   They have been around D3 a long time.   The pairings are never perceived as being fair to everyone.  Two years ago, UWW the reigning national champion went undefeated and did not get a number one seed and had to travel for the quarter finals and semi-finals.   It happens.  Don't take your frustrations out on other posters who are more knowledgeable than you just because you don't like the answer.  Learn from it.......
WarhawkDad

WHD,

I am deeply offended by the omission. Since I only have 3 stars (like you) are our opinions meaningless. And to think all along I have been adding value........there's no place like home, there's no place like home....

It just means each of your posts are worth more than those of us with a large number of posts. 

You should also note how much karma every poster has when determining whether to believe their arguments or not.  If you have too much positive karma, you're probably just a brown noser, and if you have a lot of negative karma, you're probably on the right track.   

[pg04]

Bishop #1Fan

You are obviously a relative newcomer.  Take some time, go back and read the boards.  Learn from posts by people that have  5 or 6 or more stars next to their screenname.   They have been around D3 a long time.   The pairings are never perceived as being fair to everyone.  Two years ago, UWW the reigning national champion went undefeated and did not get a number one seed and had to travel for the quarter finals and semi-finals.   It happens.  Don't take your frustrations out on other posters who are more knowledgeable than you just because you don't like the answer.  Learn from it.......
WarhawkDad

WHD,

I am deeply offended by the omission. Since I only have 3 stars (like you) are our opinions meaningless. And to think all along I have been adding value........there's no place like home, there's no place like home....

It just means each of your posts are worth more than those of us with a large number of posts. 

You should also note how much karma every poster has when determining whether to believe their arguments or not.  If you have too much positive karma, you're probably just a brown noser, and if you have a lot of negative karma, you're probably on the right track.   

You can only hope that's true! 

[USee]

AO,

to quote one of my favorite movie lines, "...if Karma were people, you'd be China". Impressive display of human hatred!

I actually have several thousand posts under an alias so I should be more credible than I appear.....really, it's true!

[smedindy]

Smed-
I've noticed a pattern in some of your posts in that you are taking on somewhat of a Robbin Hood role.  You fear that student athletes that play on teams from weaker conferences won't get the opportunity to experience playoff football through Pool C as they won't be able to "break through" a sort of self-perpetuating Pool C group.

IMO, the best way for these types of teams to enjoy the playoff experience is to win their weaker conference- get in as an AQ- and then show the D3 world how good they really are.

But if Pool C is a viable alternative way to get it in, it shouldn't only be reserved for those with a 'reputation' because that's totally self-perpetuating. "Oh, they were good last year so they get a pass" isn't the way it should work. This year is this year and should be the only factor.

It wasn't Bridgewater's fault that a lot of the typical "C" teams had two losses and were blocked on the RR board by teams with lousy SOSs and mediocre criteria.

[smedindy]

One thing is clear, and while it doesn't help Bishop#1 it is the reality of the situation:

Reputation or not, Wittenberg would not have received a "C" bid either. After Wabash lost to Oberlin and the subsequent RRs it was clear that it was going to be tough for the NCAC to get two bids unless other strange things happened. They really needed for PLU NOT to have a RR win over Willamette. I was thinking that Huntingdon's loss would have helped the NCAC "C" cause but all that did was bring Louisiana College up to the plate.

Just think, last year we were focused on CWRU not getting a "C" with one loss while someone who got into the tournament had two. We were also discussing a playoff bid from a weaker NE conference (though their "A" bid, not a "C", but still...). The more things change....

[MonroviaCat]

LaCollegeFan....I appriciated the constructive advise and I accept....It is frustrating to see a struggling program put in hard work and dedication and kinda just get looked over. Then when questions r asked and you get 3-4 diff answers and u prove them false...it gets frustrating as heck....and I wasn't here bashing these people right off the bat...I guess I am not one to sit back and just take crap. I apologize to whomever I offended meaninglessly....and never would I want to give the program a bad name or face.

O.K.--so you've finally calmed down enough to post something more understandable.  I think we can all understand frustration about your team not being selected (most of us have been there).  However, if you go back and read the posts over the past several days you will see that people have tried to answer your questions and explain how things work several different times.  If you still don't understand something, try posting a very specific question instead of continuing to post incoherent complaints about the perceived slight to your team.

[AO]

Smed-
I've noticed a pattern in some of your posts in that you are taking on somewhat of a Robbin Hood role.  You fear that student athletes that play on teams from weaker conferences won't get the opportunity to experience playoff football through Pool C as they won't be able to "break through" a sort of self-perpetuating Pool C group.

IMO, the best way for these types of teams to enjoy the playoff experience is to win their weaker conference- get in as an AQ- and then show the D3 world how good they really are.

But if Pool C is a viable alternative way to get it in, it shouldn't only be reserved for those with a 'reputation' because that's totally self-perpetuating. "Oh, they were good last year so they get a pass" isn't the way it should work. This year is this year and should be the only factor.

It wasn't Bridgewater's fault that a lot of the typical "C" teams had two losses and were blocked on the RR board by teams with lousy SOSs and mediocre criteria.

A reputation can be earned through first getting into the field through Pool A.  It also occurs to me that you're not giving Concordia the same scheduling breaks that you're giving Bridgewater.  Why should Concordia be penalized for not traveling all the way to Lake Forest or Willamette to find a regionally ranked opponent worse than them?  Their SOS is already much better than Bridgewater's as it is and their wins are also better despite not being regionally ranked wins.

[wally_wabash]

LaCollegeFan....I appriciated the constructive advise and I accept....It is frustrating to see a struggling program put in hard work and dedication and kinda just get looked over. Then when questions r asked and you get 3-4 diff answers and u prove them false...it gets frustrating as heck....and I wasn't here bashing these people right off the bat...I guess I am not one to sit back and just take crap. I apologize to whomever I offended meaninglessly....and never would I want to give the program a bad name or face.

I think you just need a bit of perspective. This season has been one of the best ever in the history of OWU. The story is better against the backdrop of the last handful of years there in Delaware. But, and this is important, there are about 240 D3 football teams. It's a big, big pond.

Ohio Wesleyan didn't get looked over this weekend. They just didn't get picked. There's a difference.

[smedindy]

Smed-
I've noticed a pattern in some of your posts in that you are taking on somewhat of a Robbin Hood role.  You fear that student athletes that play on teams from weaker conferences won't get the opportunity to experience playoff football through Pool C as they won't be able to "break through" a sort of self-perpetuating Pool C group.

IMO, the best way for these types of teams to enjoy the playoff experience is to win their weaker conference- get in as an AQ- and then show the D3 world how good they really are.

But if Pool C is a viable alternative way to get it in, it shouldn't only be reserved for those with a 'reputation' because that's totally self-perpetuating. "Oh, they were good last year so they get a pass" isn't the way it should work. This year is this year and should be the only factor.

It wasn't Bridgewater's fault that a lot of the typical "C" teams had two losses and were blocked on the RR board by teams with lousy SOSs and mediocre criteria.

A reputation can be earned through first getting into the field through Pool A.  It also occurs to me that you're not giving Concordia the same scheduling breaks that you're giving Bridgewater.  Why should Concordia be penalized for not traveling all the way to Lake Forest or Willamette to find a regionally ranked opponent worse than them?  Their SOS is already much better than Bridgewater's as it is and their wins are also better despite not being regionally ranked wins.

So only those who succeed in "A" can get a "C"? Not in my book. Reputations should be left at the door for "C" bids. It's this year that counts.

I don't think Bridgewater scheduled to find a team 'worse' than them that would be RR'd. No one can predict that's how it's going to play out. If you think there's some conspiracy that Bridgewater set its schedule in order to sneak into the playoffs, then have at it. They upgraded their schedule this year by adding Springfield and swapped Plymouth State for Endicott. That's not a team that was looking to cruise for easy wins.

[Bishop#1fan]

wally....I believe it or not...I do realize that....and I guess again it is dishearting seeing the strides to turn this program around and then not get the nod......and here I guess is the real kicker.......we sent what "6" seniors off Sat?!!!!!!!.....the talent has been there over the years it just wasn't utilized proper.....Again sorry to all...sometimes emotions come out the wrong way in the heat of battle.

[AO]

Smed-
I've noticed a pattern in some of your posts in that you are taking on somewhat of a Robbin Hood role.  You fear that student athletes that play on teams from weaker conferences won't get the opportunity to experience playoff football through Pool C as they won't be able to "break through" a sort of self-perpetuating Pool C group.

IMO, the best way for these types of teams to enjoy the playoff experience is to win their weaker conference- get in as an AQ- and then show the D3 world how good they really are.

But if Pool C is a viable alternative way to get it in, it shouldn't only be reserved for those with a 'reputation' because that's totally self-perpetuating. "Oh, they were good last year so they get a pass" isn't the way it should work. This year is this year and should be the only factor.

It wasn't Bridgewater's fault that a lot of the typical "C" teams had two losses and were blocked on the RR board by teams with lousy SOSs and mediocre criteria.

A reputation can be earned through first getting into the field through Pool A.  It also occurs to me that you're not giving Concordia the same scheduling breaks that you're giving Bridgewater.  Why should Concordia be penalized for not traveling all the way to Lake Forest or Willamette to find a regionally ranked opponent worse than them?  Their SOS is already much better than Bridgewater's as it is and their wins are also better despite not being regionally ranked wins.

So only those who succeed in "A" can get a "C"? Not in my book. Reputations should be left at the door for "C" bids. It's this year that counts.

I don't think Bridgewater scheduled to find a team 'worse' than them that would be RR'd. No one can predict that's how it's going to play out. If you think there's some conspiracy that Bridgewater set its schedule in order to sneak into the playoffs, then have at it. They upgraded their schedule this year by adding Springfield and swapped Plymouth State for Endicott. That's not a team that was looking to cruise for easy wins.

I'm not taking issue with the strength of schedule, we already know that Concordia would have been selected based upon that criteria.  I'm taking issue with the idea of a regionally ranked win for Bridgewater over Endicott.  The committee has the right to devalue that criteria if they rightly acknowledge that it doesn't mean as much in this particular case. 

[HScoach]

Hey Mr. HSCOACH........Witt plays in the same WEAK Conf.!!!!!!.....playing the same WEAK teams AND have a lower SOS than OWU and always get talked about and put on a pedestal?!!!!!...Yes I ask this Friday and got no response and it doesn't suprise me!!!!!!....OWU SOS .511 and WITT .428?!!!!!!...what will the excuse be in the coming years when OWU pees on your Witt parade?!!!!!!.....I'm sure it will be officials or field conditions or we didn't get the right nutrients that day!!!!!....this whole process is a losers joke!!!!....you have a conference that does it 2 diff ways in four regends!!!!......continue to let the moroons run the ship and this is what we get!!!!!

Wow.  I go back to work for a few hours and I'm now a Witt fan?   Don't tell Mount or I'll lose my gig.

After catching up, I realize Bishop's blood pressure has come finally dropped under 200 so I'll let the last 3 pages slide past.  But I just couldn't resist the Witt thing.  I've been called many things since D3 opened for business, but a Witt fan hasn't been one of them.  Until today. 

[wally_wabash]

I'm not taking issue with the strength of schedule, we already know that Concordia would have been selected based upon that criteria.  I'm taking issue with the idea of a regionally ranked win for Bridgewater over Endicott.  The committee has the right to devalue that criteria if they rightly acknowledge that it doesn't mean as much in this particular case.

But it is a regional ranked win for Bridgewater State over Endicott.  That's not really a disputable thing. 

I'm really not sympathetic to Concordia-Moorhead for not being in this tournament.  NOBODY who got left out shot themselves in the foot more directly than did the Cobbers.  There's not a more gut wrenching way for a team to lose a game than that (mutliplied by roughly 100,000x since it is also THE reason that they aren't in the field), but that result just doesn't get swept under the rug because it was gut wrenching and doesn't happen every day. 

[AO]

I'm not taking issue with the strength of schedule, we already know that Concordia would have been selected based upon that criteria.  I'm taking issue with the idea of a regionally ranked win for Bridgewater over Endicott.  The committee has the right to devalue that criteria if they rightly acknowledge that it doesn't mean as much in this particular case.

But it is a regional ranked win for Bridgewater State over Endicott.  That's not really a disputable thing. 

I'm really not sympathetic to Concordia-Moorhead for not being in this tournament.  NOBODY who got left out shot themselves in the foot more directly than did the Cobbers.  There's not a more gut wrenching way for a team to lose a game than that (mutliplied by roughly 100,000x since it is also THE reason that they aren't in the field), but that result just doesn't get swept under the rug because it was gut wrenching and doesn't happen every day.

It's not disputable but as Pat and Brad noted, it is something to be weighed by the committee members based on their subjective judgment.  Their judgment was poor.

[WarhawkDad]

Bishop #1Fan

You are obviously a relative newcomer.  Take some time, go back and read the boards.  Learn from posts by people that have  5 or 6 or more stars next to their screenname.   They have been around D3 a long time.   The pairings are never perceived as being fair to everyone.  Two years ago, UWW the reigning national champion went undefeated and did not get a number one seed and had to travel for the quarter finals and semi-finals.   It happens.  Don't take your frustrations out on other posters who are more knowledgeable than you just because you don't like the answer.  Learn from it.......
WarhawkDad

WHD,

I am deeply offended by the omission. Since I only have 3 stars (like you) are our opinions meaningless. And to think all along I have been adding value........there's no place like home, there's no place like home....

LOL, nah we do have opinions, but those who have been around longer are more sage.....at least most of them....