Bad call on MNF

[Hawks88]

The call and review was correct.  Simultaneous Possession.

Unfortunately, what this photo does NOT show is that Tate didn't get both hands on the ball until AFTER the GB receiver had brought it in.  In that case, it is NOT simultaneous possession.

He didn't get both hands on the ball until after the DB 'brought it in' but he did get both hands on the ball before the DB had both feet on the ground.

[smedindy]

As for the NFL, I have no doubt they could pay what the refs want. But really, who gets a pension anymore? It's just ridiculous that they are holding out on 150K+ part time jobs for a pension. Part timers don't even get 401Ks or healthcare most of the time, these refs are asking for an awful lot.

They refs are being reasonable. And they're really not 'part time' during the season. They study and plan six days a week. That term is a ruse. They are the best of their profession as we all see now. They're not holding out, either - it's a lockout.

So anyone that has a pension should just give it up because no one gets one anymore? Just give that benefit away that they earned just because?

It's all of the stuff that happened in many games I saw - a disorganized higgdly piggdly mess. The GB call at the end was totally bogus - it was not simultaneous possession. Missed in that noise are all of the other ludicrous calls in that game. How can you respect someone when they don't know the rules they're supposed to enforce and can't even do simple things like spot personal fouls and keep track of downs?

They ought to know the rules they are enforcing. Ought to.

[jknezek]

No Smedindy. Pensions are a thing of the past. They are unsustainable mistakes left over from a previous generation. 401Ks correct those mistakes and most of us have shifted over. As for NFL refs being full-time, that is difficult to define. Hochuli says in some articles that he puts in 30 hours a week in season, but that includes his "keeping fit" and travel time plus his duties as the head of the NFLRA, which includes a lot that other refs conceivably don't do. While there might be some allowance for keeping fit, no job I ever worked allowed you to count travel time. Most jobs I've had that I've travelled have had rules about when you can take off and land so you don't cut short a "work day".

I just don't buy that these guys are working 2 full-time jobs during the season. It doesn't make sense, much like the concept of a pension.

Again, I don't doubt the NFL COULD pay them, and I don't doubt that they are the best in the business and would be the best for the game, I just struggle with an acceptable level of pay and laying all the blame on the owners being cheap. You are right that they are locked out and not on strike, but I still think what they are demanding is more than what is reasonable. Just my opinion and you are, of course, entitled to your own.

[smedindy]

I've always had travel time count for me since to get the best fare you need to take off and land at weird times. Your travel day is your work day. Traveling on a weekend wasn't something my employers wanted us to do because of family time and the fact we were always on the road. Unless it was unavoidable, we try not to schedule meetings with clients on Mondays and use that as a travel day. Or at the worst, not have a meeting until Monday afternoon.

They are not demanding anything unreasonable. Unreasonable would be to ask for $1MM guaranteed in a Swiss Bank account for each ref. Why would they willingly walk away from a bargained benefit? Just because something isn't in 'vogue' doesn't mean you willingly give it away. I wouldn't.

At any rate, let's hope the deal is done.

[bashbrother]

At least it looks like this nightmare is over.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/several-reports-indicate-deal-between-nfl-officials-imminent-023915580--nfl.html

Thank goodness....  an now back to our regularly officiated National Football League.

The NFL's statement says that tomorrow nights game will be officiated by NFL refs... wow, that is quick.  Shows that after Monday night, they are not playing around any longer.

[Gray Fox]

A friend posted the following on Facebook.  It seems accurate to me.

"Sweet, we can all now come to the realization that we hate ALL referees, not just replacement refs. I smell a movie about all this coming, starring Will Ferrell and Steve Carrell."

[bashbrother]

A friend posted the following on Facebook.  It seems accurate to me.

"Sweet, we can all now come to the realization that we hate ALL referees, not just replacement refs. I smell a movie about all this coming, starring Will Ferrell and Steve Carrell."

True... I think just the fact that we all knew that they were replacement refs, created an environment of extreme focus from the media, coaches, players, fans etc.   At the end of the day even the NFL refs will make mistakes every game,  nature and speed of the game today.

Have a good business friend that is Banker by day, an SEC Official on Saturdays...   He says "he could throw a flag on almost every play, has to pick and choose which infractions that affect the play, health of players... etc.   Not an easy job.

[Teamski]

The call and review was correct.  Simultaneous Possession.

Unfortunately, what this photo does NOT show is that Tate didn't get both hands on the ball until AFTER the GB receiver had brought it in.  In that case, it is NOT simultaneous possession.

He didn't get both hands on the ball until after the DB 'brought it in' but he did get both hands on the ball before the DB had both feet on the ground.

And we are forgetting that Tate released the hold on the ball momentarily with his right hand on the way down.  No Simultanious posession.

-Ski

[AO]

The call and review was correct.  Simultaneous Possession.

Unfortunately, what this photo does NOT show is that Tate didn't get both hands on the ball until AFTER the GB receiver had brought it in.  In that case, it is NOT simultaneous possession.

He didn't get both hands on the ball until after the DB 'brought it in' but he did get both hands on the ball before the DB had both feet on the ground.

And we are forgetting that Tate released the hold on the ball momentarily with his right hand on the way down.  No Simultanious posession.

-Ski

He could have never touched the ball with his right hand at any point and still be given the touchdown.  His left hand was on the ball throughout the catch.  If his left hand wasn't on the ball, it would have been an easy overturn in the review.

[smedindy]

We have a 'truther' in our midst...

http://deadspin.com/5946917/seahawks-truthers-continue-to-insist-golden-tate-caught-that-touchdown

Where's the ball in AO's photo - the TRUTHER photo?? Yeesh.

[AO]

We have a 'truther' in our midst...

http://deadspin.com/5946917/seahawks-truthers-continue-to-insist-golden-tate-caught-that-touchdown

Where's the ball in AO's photo - the TRUTHER photo?? Yeesh.

Who is the one with the conspiracy, the people who agree with the official review and the NFL?  Try out this video if you're more curious about Tate's left hand and the ball.

There is no rule about "he had more of the ball" or "he brought it to his chest".  What is your conspiracy about why the replay official didn't overturn the call, and the NFL affirmed their decision the next day?

[KitchenSink]

AO, give it up, your points are silly.

It takes more than a hand on the ball to have possession.  And there are multiple pictures where Tate's hand has ahold of Jennings, and no ball.  Have to maintain possession, and only Jennings did.

[smedindy]

The NFL was doing everything it could to spin it their way. If the NFL reversed the decision it would make them look 1,000,000 times worse. The replay rules are murky in this situation and the actual ref on the field is the one who makes the final call in these situations (or did before this three-ring circus started) and like HE was going to overturn THAT call in Seattle.

[AO]

The NFL was doing everything it could to spin it their way. If the NFL reversed the decision it would make them look 1,000,000 times worse. The replay rules are murky in this situation and the actual ref on the field is the one who makes the final call in these situations (or did before this three-ring circus started) and like HE was going to overturn THAT call in Seattle.

The rules are not murky.  It was ESPN and the majority of people to this day whose understanding of the rules is murky.   It was a bang-bang play on the field and the replay didn't show Jennings having sole control prior to Tate's control with his left hand.

Your conspiracy theory isn't even consistent.  If the NFL and the referrees was so worried about their appearance, they would have overturned the play at the time of the replay.  That would have made the majority of people who don't understand the rules happy and Goodell wouldn't have gotten 70,000 voicemails. 

[Pat Coleman]

The NFL was doing everything it could to spin it their way. If the NFL reversed the decision it would make them look 1,000,000 times worse. The replay rules are murky in this situation and the actual ref on the field is the one who makes the final call in these situations (or did before this three-ring circus started) and like HE was going to overturn THAT call in Seattle.

The rules are not murky.  It was ESPN and the majority of people to this day whose understanding of the rules is murky.   It was a bang-bang play on the field and the replay didn't show Jennings having sole control prior to Tate's control with his left hand.

Your conspiracy theory isn't even consistent.  If the NFL and the referrees was so worried about their appearance, they would have overturned the play at the time of the replay.  That would have made the majority of people who don't understand the rules happy and Goodell wouldn't have gotten 70,000 voicemails.

I read that the replacement officials made 65% of their calls in favor of the home team. That's the majority I believe officials were more likely to cater to.