Top 25 Discussion

[CrashDavisD3]

ISR/SOS
http://www.boydsworld.com/baseball/isr/d3_isr.html

[Spence]

Huntingdon gets a big win, 6-5 over Marietta with a chance to play for the sweep coming up.

Looks like a good club. Played better in the field than MC, showed good speed and obviously hit the ball pretty well. Their closer Lawler had no trouble at all in the 9th.

EDIT TO ADD: Marietta gets the split, winning the second game 9-2.

No shame at all for Huntingdon though with a split. The last time Marietta was swept at home was 2008.

[Hammer Ball]

Who's No.1 Poll

Sal – 15-4 overall (2-2 for the week) sos 178 lost Series to 9-14 St. Marys
Trinity Tx – 23-5 (4-1) sos 169 lost to 2-10 Rockford
Cort St. – 13-4 (3-0) sos 146(in region) swept a 3-10 New Paltz

The No. 1 team should not have a sos of 146+, lose to a 2-10 team or lose a series to a 9-14 team - all 3 of the above are out of contention.

Marrietta – 9-4 (2-1) sos 25 split with 16-6 Huntingdon no issue 4 losses in 13 games hurts chances.
St. Tom – 9-4 (4-1) sos 32 lost to 5-2 (2-2) UW-SP. again 4 losses in 13 games hurts chances.
Linfield – 17-3 (3-0) sos 14 swept 9-12 (0-4) Whitworth. Strong Contender.
Chris New – 20-7-1 (2-1) sos 100 no shame in losing to 20-11 Averett.  2 early season losses to 11-13 LaGrange remove from contention.
Kean – 13-4 (3-0) sos 50 Nice wins v Alvernia, ECSU this wk. 4 losses v .500+ teams are still 4 losses. Factor in.

Others to Consider

Ramapo 10-1 (6-0) sos 143 3 wins v teams with winning records and 3 v losing teams. sos takes them out, for now. NJAC season will improve sos quickly.
Haverford 12-0 (2-0) sos 70 Swept 2 from 8-5 St. John Fisher. Only team to do what all others want – not lose a game. 6 wins v 2012 tourney teams. In the discussion.

For me it comes down to 3 teams. Linfield, Kean and Haverford. As only one of them has accomplished what all 3 want (win every game) I give it to Haverford.

[Spence]

FYI, Huntingdon is 16-6 rather than 6-6 and was ranked in the ABCA poll. For me there's only one choice for #1 (but a lot for #2), but just in the interest of accuracy I thought I'd point that out.

[Spence]

Here's what I've got. Comments/criticisms welcome.

1. Linfield
2. St. Joseph's
3. Cortland State
4. St. Thomas
5. St. Scholastica
6. Huntingdon
7. Webster
8. Wheaton (Mass.)
9. UW-Whitewater
10. Kean
11. Marietta
12. Haverford
13. UW-Stevens Point
14. Ramapo
15. Western New England
16. Manchester
17. Salisbury
18. UT-Tyler
19. Cal Lutheran
20. Keystone
21. Wartburg
22. Johns Hopkins
23. Concordia (Ill.)
24. Christopher Newport
25. Spalding

[OshDude]

Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

[CrashDavisD3]

Here's what I've got. Comments/criticisms welcome.

1. Linfield
2. St. Joseph's
3. Cortland State
4. St. Thomas
5. St. Scholastica
6. Huntingdon
7. Webster
8. Wheaton (Mass.)
9. UW-Whitewater
10. Kean
11. Marietta
12. Haverford
13. UW-Stevens Point
14. Ramapo
15. Western New England
16. Manchester
17. Salisbury
18. UT-Tyler
19. Cal Lutheran
20. Keystone
21. Wartburg
22. Johns Hopkins
23. Concordia (Ill.)
24. Christopher Newport
25. Spalding

I am ok with your #1 and most of your other picks but your #2 does not belong in top 25...

Why?
They have not beaten a team with a winning record.(They have beat teams with a combined record of 10-36)
They have only played 9 games.
They have lost to a team with a losing record.
LOW ISR And SOS for their oppponents.

[OshDude]

Wrong St. Joe's, Crash. Benefit of the doubt, but I assume Spence ranked the one from Maine.

[Hammer Ball]

Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

I got my sos from boyds xcpt cort st,  which i could not find on boyds.

[Whatagame]

Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

I got my sos from boyds xcpt cort st,  which i could not find on boyds.

The SOS rankings from Boyd's are just totally different from the D3.com SOS rankings. 

As I understand it, Boyd's looks at all D3 games a team plays, but does not rank a team until they have played 10 games.

D3.com SOS only takes into account in-region games, and begins ranking a team as soon as they've played a game.

Am I correct in that the current Boyd's method is accurate to what the official SOS calculation will be next year, when "a D3 game is a game."

[Spence]

Wrong St. Joe's, Crash. Benefit of the doubt, but I assume Spence ranked the one from Maine.

Correct. Suppose I should have specified.

[Spence]

Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

I got my sos from boyds xcpt cort st,  which i could not find on boyds.

The SOS rankings from Boyd's are just totally different from the D3.com SOS rankings. 

As I understand it, Boyd's looks at all D3 games a team plays, but does not rank a team until they have played 10 games.

D3.com SOS only takes into account in-region games, and begins ranking a team as soon as they've played a game.

Am I correct in that the current Boyd's method is accurate to what the official SOS calculation will be next year, when "a D3 game is a game."

Probably not. I don't know what Boyd's method is, but it HEAVILY skews those rankings toward the West region (and still Trinity's SOS is very low). I like the ISRs, but IMO you have to take that into account, the less than 10 games thing, and the fact that they're not always accurate in terms of games played. Still, I find them useful.

But I would think the NCAA's SOS will be quite a bit different.

[tigerfan_2001]

Not sure if everyone knows, but the SOS numbers from the front page are in-region only.

How accurate are those numbers.  It shows Trinity (TX) in region record as 19-5.  Their total record is 23-5.  DeSales, Cardinal Stritch, and Rockford aren't in region.  That is 5 wins a 1 loss.  There is a debate if Centenary counts as in region since they aren't eligible for NCAA post season play.  With Centenary, TU should have a record of 18-4 and without it would be 17-2.   

[CrashDavisD3]

Here's what I've got. Comments/criticisms welcome.

1. Linfield
2. St. Joseph's
3. Cortland State
4. St. Thomas
5. St. Scholastica
6. Huntingdon
7. Webster
8. Wheaton (Mass.)
9. UW-Whitewater
10. Kean
11. Marietta
12. Haverford
13. UW-Stevens Point
14. Ramapo
15. Western New England
16. Manchester
17. Salisbury
18. UT-Tyler
19. Cal Lutheran
20. Keystone
21. Wartburg
22. Johns Hopkins
23. Concordia (Ill.)
24. Christopher Newport
25. Spalding

I am ok with your #1 and most of your other picks but your #2 does not belong in top 25...

Why?
They have not beaten a team with a winning record.(They have beat teams with a combined record of 10-36)
They have only played 9 games.
They have lost to a team with a losing record.
LOW ISR And SOS for their oppponents.

I was wrong AGAIN. I was looking at the wrong team. 2 teams are St. Joseph in D3.

[CrashDavisD3]

http://www.d3baseball.com/top25/2013/2013week-5

Things are starting to get sorted out.

Some things to think about and discuss.

Should teams with less than 10 games be in top 25?

Should teams with winning percentages .600 or less be in top 25?

SCIAC teams got votes but no love for top 25 yet. SCIAC teams have beaten Trinity, Linfield, Kean all in the top 10.