Top 25 Discussion

[108 Stitches]

Spence you made a comment to Infielddad to not post to your posts, may I suggest you take your own advice, just let this go so we can move on to some other interesting top 25 discussions. I actually enjoy hearing about teams from other regions and what is happening. Speaking of this what are the prospects for a SAA team getting into a regional this year?

One thing we all seem to forget is that all of the players Student Athletes and I do know that TU's finals are May 8-14 which would preclude playing real games during this period of time.  (or at least I am sure the administration would have some say in this regardless what the coach wants)

[infielddad]

Spence is it certainly intriguing  that you spent so much energy in past years and now continue to spend so much time seeming to torture ways to try and discredit what Coach Scannell and his players have accomplished since the 2000-2001 season.  Curious fascination on a message board, for sure.
This is actually pretty easy: you don't believe TU should be in the top 25. What you are posting for 2013 isn't much different than the places you went in previous years in making the same aarguments. When all else gets challenged, the fall back is Trinity has not been to Appleton. .
Others including JSG have thoughtfully posted their perspectives on why Trinity does belong in their top 25.
JSG really does a solid job on the West Region and has for many, many years.
If you don't want others to post, it might be prudent to do the same.

[Spence]

OK this is completely ridiculous. You people have lost your frickin' minds.

I haven't tried to discredit anything...I've only tried to keep some people on this board from taking credit for things not accomplished...far as I know I'm not the one that got caught in a bold-faced lie on this thread.

I'm fine with people posting their perspectives. I'm not fine with people disparaging me for mine and turning a perfectly good thread into an unbelievable mess.

May I remind that this started because a West region poster was completely hypocritical in criticizing St. Joe's ranking because of their schedule while placing Trinity high despite theirs. I called him on it, and all hell broke loose.

Aside from letting people make criticisms they don't themselves follow, or letting fans claim accomplishments their programs haven't earned (like making 4 championships in 7 years, which is clearly and provably false), I don't know what I'm supposed to do.

Why in the world would I have any reason to "try to torture ways" (I'm not sure what that means, actually) to discredit Trinity? I'm a Marietta grad and supporter...I don't even know how many regionals we've won. I'm not saying that to brag at all, but to say "are you kidding me? You really think I have a personal reason to give a crap?"

Your team is playing right now. It's on video. Why don't you give up this foolishness and go enjoy a ballgame?

By the way, I missed a doubleheader to take a final when I was in school. Several other team members missed most of it too. We lost the first ballgame 1-0 and the players that drove a van up after their final got there after the second game started. The guy that drove the van came on in relief and was the winning pitcher in the second game.

[Spence]

Speaking of this what are the prospects for a SAA team getting into a regional this year?

Decent maybe? I think Huntingdon is the top Pool B down south but Millsaps or BSC could certainly play their way in. Case Western Reserve and Washington STL are candidates as well. Then of course there's Ithaca and St. John Fisher, and then who knows what anyone will do with St. Joes Brooklyn if they keep this pace.

[infielddad]

Spence,
My mind is just fine but thanks for asking?
Any player who puts on a uniform for Trinity learns very quickly from the coaching staff that they do it one leg at a time, nothing is given to them and they work for everything they get.  Anyone with a different impression had them quickly reworked with the 13 hour bus ride to Millsaps or the day in Abilene which began with climbing the bus in  the dark, riding 7-8 hours, playing a Noon game against a very good McMurry team followed by about an hour break and then another game at a different field against Hardin Simmons, followed by the 7-8 hour bus ride back to SAT arriving after Midnight, with the expectation to be at every class the next day.
You have every right to be proud of Marietta.  They have a very long history of being a top D3 program and can recruit a very fertile area rather than against top DI's, JC's, DII's and baseball scholarships, which is the case with schools like Trinity and Chapman. Different programs in different areas with different challenges and Marietta makes the best of them, for sure.
Since you seem to be suggesting I posted something clearly false to be called on, what I posted is Trinity has been to 7 Regionals since 2002.  They played in the final game in those 7 Regionals at least 4 times, losing to the team which went to Appleton.  They beat every team in the West Region, except one, each year.
Nothing for you to get your shorts in a jam over and quite factual.
As I said earlier and many times many years before, JSG has a very solid view of the West Region and especially the Texas schools. I don't know who he is but I don't believe he has anything to do with TU.
You have your opinions on the top 25 worked from your perspective.
JSG has his.  One thing we can disagree about is whether a team/program is overrated when they play in the final game of a Regional at least 4 times in 10 years, coupled with the number of players drafted during that same time.  You use selective information one way and I use other information a different way.
There is nothing more to be said I don't think and this topic should go back to the top 25 where it belongs.

[Spence]

You have every right to be proud of Marietta.  They have a very long history of being a top D3 program and can recruit a very fertile area rather than against top DI's, JC's, DII's and baseball scholarships, which is the case with schools like Trinity and Chapman. Different programs in different areas with different challenges and Marietta makes the best of them, for sure.

Yeah, there's a lot less baseball talent in Texas and California

Believe it or not, D-Is and JUCO D-Is recruit the north too. Most of the top players in the cities in Ohio and PA go to either local D-Is (of which there are like 10 in Ohio alone) or down south. There are also not that many JUCOs nearby to draw from up north.

Since you seem to be suggesting I posted something clearly false to be called on, what I posted is Trinity has been to 7 Regionals since 2002.  They played in the final game in those 7 Regionals at least 4 times, losing to the team which went to Appleton.

I already demonstrated that this is false. I suggest you reread the post. That's all I'm saying. It is impossible to go 1-2 in a regional and play in the championship. It cannot happen.

You have your opinions on the top 25 worked from your perspective.
JSG has his.  One thing we can disagree about is whether a team/program is overrated when they play in the final game of a Regional at least 4 times in 10 years, coupled with the number of players drafted during that same time.  You use selective information one way and I use other information a different way.
There is nothing more to be said I don't think and this topic should go back to the top 25 where it belongs.

So are you saying you agree that Trinity shouldn't be in this discussion then?

[infielddad]

Nothing false other than what you posted. Here is a start where "false" isn't:
2002: Trinity lost the final game of that Regional to Concordia.  TU went home, Concordia to Appleton; I was there so I have a pretty good first hand knowledge of that Regional.
2004: Trinity lost the final game of that Regional to George Fox. TU went home, George Fox rode Scott Hyde for 36 or so innings in 12 days and won the CWS. I was in Orange for that Regional and have a pretty good knowledge of the final game with TU and George Fox, even the starter for TU who came on and gave them 5 solid innings when he had pitched less than 10 innings all year.
I won't keep going other than to contrast this with your earlier post, if anyone cares.
I guess you love to argue every point.
Not for me.  I'll go back to reading and enjoying the West Region discussion.

[Spence]

*throws hands in the air*

I give up.

So you were moving the goal posts talking in one phrase about one time period and then switching to another without specifying. Pretty confusing, but I'm sure that's my fault.

I love to argue every point? I'm not the one that's gotten all butthurt and hijacked the thread for 2 pages because someone criticized their team.

Btw, I'm more familiar than you think. If you look up the Austin paper's stories from CUA's trip to the series, you might recognize the byline.

We'll see if Trinity can manage 2 wins in 5 games against Centenary tomorrow. Starting to wonder if they're even the top seed in the SCAC tournament.

[CrashDavisD3]

Spence you made a comment to Infielddad to not post to your posts, may I suggest you take your own advice, just let this go so we can move on to some other interesting top 25 discussions. I actually enjoy hearing about teams from other regions and what is happening. Speaking of this what are the prospects for a SAA team getting into a regional this year?

One thing we all seem to forget is that all of the players Student Athletes and I do know that TU's finals are May 8-14 which would preclude playing real games during this period of time.  (or at least I am sure the administration would have some say in this regardless what the coach wants)

I know of one program that the Student Athletes that took their finals in hotel lobbies, baseball dugouts and baseball stadium stands for several years in a row. Several of those student athletes have gone on to become doctors, lawyers, and CPA's at major accounting firms. So both can be done. Being a student and athlete and play baseball during the finals.

Trinity is a great school and has a great baseball program that is well coached and does very well almost every single year. They just choose to do things differently than others and it works for them.

[MIACLUV]

Soooo... how about those rankings 

[Spence]

Soooo... how about those rankings 

I thought about posting the same thing last night haha.

Anyone other than St. Thomas warrant consideration from the MIAC? I've been wondering about Hamline and Bethel but I'm not there yet.

[Spence]

Observation relevant to top 25 discussion: Trinity now has 3 losses in their last 4 home games and is 3 games back of first in their conference.

[tigerfan_2001]

Observation relevant to top 25 discussion: Trinity now has 3 losses in their last 4 home games and is 3 games back of first in their conference.

and should fall out of the top 25 now that most programs have 10-15 games under their belts.

[infielddad]

When you throw your #1 and lose 3-1 and come back the next day and get 23 hits and lose again, it seems the team has far more important things to address and improve upon than those being tossed around in a top 25 discussion.

[Spence]

I don't know if I've ever seen a team use that many pitchers in a game without doing it on purpose.