The Race for the 2013 Regional Births.

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EttaFan1

#75
Nope. 

MAR:  vs. WOO 2-0, LRC 2-0, CWRU 0-2, W&J 0-1, JCU 1-1, HUNT 1-1: Total 6-5
MAN: 0-0
WOO: vs. MAR 0-2, CWRU 1-1, JCU 1-1: 2-3
LRC: vs MAR 0-2, W&J 0-1, CORT 0-1 : 0-4
CWRU: vs. MAR 2-0, WOO 1-1, W&J 1-1, JCU 2-1, WASH 2-0: 8-3
W&J: vs. MAR 1-0, LRC 1-0, CWRU 1-1, TMC 1-2: 4-3
Hope: vs ADR 3-1
JCU: vs. MAR 1-1, WOO 0-1, CWRU 1-2: 2-4
TMC:  vs W&J 2-1, ADR 0-1: 2-2

Corrected the previous post for JCU and W&J. 

Also from the D3 Baseball page on how the bids are awarded, here are the primary criteria:

Primary Criteria
The primary criteria emphasize regional competition (all contests leading up to NCAA championships); all criteria listed will be evaluated (not listed in priority order).
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents.
• Strength-of-schedule (only contests versus regional competition).
•Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OWP).
•Opponents’ Opponents’ Average Winning Percentage (OOWP).
• See Appendix B for explanation of OWP and OOWP calculations.
• In-region head-to-head competition.
• In-region results versus common regional opponents.
• In-region results versus regionally ranked teams.
• Ranked opponents are defined as those teams ranked at any time of the rankings/selection process.
• Conference postseason contests are included.
• Contests versus provisional and reclassifying members in their third and fourth years shall count in the primary criteria. Provisional and reclassifying members shall remain ineligible for rankings and  selection.

Weighted Scale. For a minimum of two championship seasons (2009-10 and 2010-11),
a weighted scale will apply. Once the OWP and OOWP are calculated, they are to be combined on a weighted scale (e.g., 2/3 weight for OWP and 1/3 weight for OOWP) and this combined number becomes the strength of schedule.




EttaFan1

Regional Rankings as of Yesterday.

1.  Marietta
2.  Manchseter
3.  Case
4.  Wooster
5.  W&J
6.  Hope
7. La Roche
8. JCU
9. Denison (new)

I am feeling a lot more confident about Case's case for a pool B/pool C bid at this point.  Them moving up to 3 is huge.

OAC tournament featured upsets of the top two seeds.  Marietta and JCU will play an elimination game.  For JCU, their season is over if they lose.  Marietta is a lock for the regional, IMO.

NCAC tournament has Wooster in the championship game waiting for the losers bracket final between Oberlin and Allegheny.  Denison is out and likely has completed their season. 

HCAC tournament saw Franklin and Manchester advance in the winners bracket and Defiance and Anderson move to the losers bracket.

PrAC tournament found Thomas More and W&J winning big in their openers.  They will meet today along with Thiel and St. Vincent in the losers bracket.

MIAA tournament saw Hope eliminated from the tournament.  Adrian and Trine will square off in the championship game today.  Hope is likely done for the season.

AMCC tournament found La Roche being upset in their first game and Penn State Beherend moving forward.  La Roche won the first losers bracket game.  Mt. Aloyisius will play PSU Beherend in the winners bracket today, with La Roche facing the loser. 


jos s

The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union

forheavendial4999

Quote from: jos s on May 12, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union

I would be surprised if all 8 end up in Terre Haute.

EttaFan1

Quote from: jos s on May 12, 2013, 09:24:16 AM
The Mid East regional seeds

Manchester
Case
Wooster
Washington and Jefferson
Adrian
Marietta
Penn st behrend
Mount union

In that order?

Marietta will be no worse than a four in an eight team region, IMO.  .743 regional win pct, solid win pct against regionally ranked opponents, and the third toughest schedule in the regionally ranked teams. They likely won't be the top seed, but they won't fall from 1 to 6 With those numbers either. (if that was your intent by listing them in that order).

Beherend goes east to ny or the midatlanitc. Distance issues, mostly.

Mount might too for the same reasons.

W&J at .757 with the 114th rated schedule won't jump Marietta either, IMO.



EttaFan1

#80
Received a text from Marietta, they are the #2 seed and will play the #7 seed Penn St.- Beherend

#1 Manchester
#2 Marietta
#3 Wooster
#4 Illinois Weslyan
#5 Washington & Jefferson
#6 Thomas More
#7 PSU - Beherend
#8 Mount Union

Case gets shipped out to Wisconsin Whitewater as the 4 seed, where they will get to play the host school #3 Wisconsin Whitewater.  That's tough matchup for the Spartans.  (did they get "screwed" with that draw?  Probably)  Adrian goes to the Central Region as a 5 seed.

Thomas More is a surprise at large bid. 

So

Manchester vs. Mount Union
Marietta vs. PSU Beherend
Wooster vs. Thomas More
W&J vs Illinois Wesleyan


mideastfan2

Case got the shaft, in my opinion. I'm all for teams being shipped to other regions if they can compete and win, but they could've been a 2 or 3 seed in the Mideast, but i.stead end up as a 4 in the region of death...the Midwest. ouch.

good luck to them though, i would love to see them in Appleton as a second Mideast representative (along with Marietta of course!!)

jos s

thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

EttaFan1

#83
Even if Case stays "home" I doubt they are the #2 seed in Terre Haute—three maybe, a 4 at worst.  That's only my opinion.  I also believe if they were worthy of the #2 seed, they likely would not have been "shipped out." 

It can be argued that there is a bias towards Marietta and Manchester...Both nationally ranked all year (Not a selecion criteria, but that does influence the humam subjective factors).  Both were top two in the regional rankings each time they were announced. Only guessing, but I think it was predetermined before the conference tournaments, those would be the top two seeds.  The conference tournaments determined the pecking order between them.   (ie Marietta wins the OAC, they are the top seed.  Perhaps that would have kept Case "at home," too.) 

Case earned their way into the tournament, no question.  I agree they were not treated well by the committee.  They are one of the best teams I've seen this year.  Fundamentally sound.  Solid pitching.  Good offense.  They will compete well in the regional, IMO.  Quite frankly as a fan, I'm glad they were shipped to another region, I don't want to see them again any too soon.   :)

Adrian also was shipped out to the Central Region (Moline IL).

forheavendial4999

I think Case got absolutely ripped. The Midwest is the one region I absolutely would not want to go. St.Thomas was my preseason #1, the region is at Whitewater...just a crazy tough regional. I was hoping they would move Stevens Point but I guess if they earned the 2 you can't move them. And you obviously can't move Whitewater. Hopefully Case shocks the world in Whitewater, I think they've had a good year and deserve much better than what they got.

At least Mount is on the other side of the bracket from Marietta. Hope for an all-OAC final I guess.

ADL70

#85
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket (#2 and #3 from last weeks Top25).

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.
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CrashDavisD3

Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket ( 3 Top25 teams)

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.

West had 3 teams in the TOP 7 and 4 in the TOP 17.....So it could be tougher.
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ADL70

Quote from: CrashDavisD3 on May 13, 2013, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on May 13, 2013, 12:11:51 PM
Quote from: jos s on May 13, 2013, 09:41:35 AM
thanks for the kind words.....   truly a joke to be sent 8 hours away, when there are 3 regionals closer. Case earned and deserved at least the #2 in the Mid east     the selection group should be ashamed.

Whitewater is only about an hour farther than Terre Haute, depending on when you go through Chicago.  The real bitch is the strength of that bracket ( 3 Top25 teams)

How did the NCAA bean-counters let the ME regional be at the far west edge of the region?  Many years ago OWU (or NCAC) hosted a regional at OSU's old field.  Not sure what schools other than Marietta have fields with lights, but certainly there are many fine facilities in Ohio that could serve as a regional host.

West had 3 teams in the TOP 7 and 4 in the TOP 17.....So it could be tougher.

I did edit my post to last week's #2 and #3, after I looked more closely at all the other brackets.
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EttaFan1

#88

Adrian has lights and a field turf surface and has been, in recent years, the only other location to host the regional in the last few years (since 2006 at least).   

There was a point in time a few years ago when the regional was hosted in Akron's Thurman Munson stadium.  Hasn't been there in quite some time.

Back when they were 4 team fields, you could do it just about anywhere....Lights weren't a necesity.  Having an 8 team field without lights would be next to impossible.  6 team fields would be difficult without lights. 




ADL70

#89
I was also thinking of Avon's All-Pro Freight Stadium.  Oberlin has played games there and it was Cleveland State's home field.

Munson is in Canton and no longer has a minor league tenant, so it would be a good choice also.  Maybe Mt. Union will step up with it's success this year and put together a bid for nest year.
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