120th Monon Bell Classic

smedindy · November 12, 2013, 01:46:37 PM

DPU's only chance is to go on mammoth 10 minute drives and keep the ball away from Wabash.

wally_wabash · November 12, 2013, 02:19:24 PM

Quote from: smedindy on November 12, 2013, 01:46:37 PM
DPU's only chance is to go on mammoth 10 minute drives and keep the ball away from Wabash.

They're not doing that unless they get 80 second play clocks.

Breckenridgebear · November 12, 2013, 06:44:21 PM

Been wearing this since last Saturday.

DPUIrish1 · November 12, 2013, 10:37:16 PM

a lot of stats filling up the chatter here...and that's fine...they're pretty one-sided....

where's the fun?

like the fact that red has been removed from all closets in our house this week? My son asking just what IS a Little Giant? and what possibly could 800 men do on a Friday and Saturday night?

I simply tell him, son, not all questions have reasonable answers.

Let's mix it up....

Go Tigers!

wally_wabash · November 13, 2013, 12:29:07 AM

Quote from: Breckenridgebear on November 12, 2013, 06:44:21 PM

Been wearing this since last Saturday.

Ah the good old days. You should send your boys playing this weekend an email and tell them how it felt to actually score a point against Wabash. Nobody there currently knows.

1837Tigers · November 13, 2013, 08:15:34 AM

sigma one · November 13, 2013, 10:28:09 AM

What's that old saying about lies, damn lies, and statistics. In general, there are just too many variables of play and situations to compare defenses that are not separated by a lot of space; eg. Wittenberg and Hiram, or Mt Union and Wilmington. Those passing against numbers for Witt are inflated by teams being well behind, usually early, and having to throw, reference Wabash last week as one example. The most telling number for me is the lack of separation in the points surrendered. It's the scoreboard that counts. You can take out Witt's defensive futility v. Butler (49pts) and that entertaining (but unusual) track meet v. Wooster (66-39) that inflate their pts against average. But you can also subtract DePauw's 45 pts against to Witt.
Etc. Etc.
In all other games, DePauw has surrendered 42 to Denison, a capable offensive team, but one that had no points production v. Wabash/Denison (50-13). Absent that result, the Tigers have allowed 10, 28, 11, 21, 7, 27, and 13. That's pretty darn respectable. They have not blown out anyone but Oberlin, a team Wabash struggled against offensively.
I'm rather more inclined to pay attention to the teams' offenses. Wabash has produced 47 points a game. DePauw has struggled against a lot of defenses, not any of them except Witt's nearly equal to Wabash's. DPU got 26 against Kenyon, 21 against Denison, 23 against OWU, 23 against Allegheny, 24 against Hiram.
On the other hand, throw away Witt's 35, which for them was not a ton of points, and Wabash's defense has been so dominant that there is the biggest advantage this week of anything I can point to about the two teams. Lynch will be smart about protecting his young QB, but will the Wabash's blitzes unnerve him so much that the DPU passing game sputters. He's about 5'11'' and the Wabsh front is 6'6", 6'5", 6'3, and in situation when they use 4 dlinemen add 6'2". As to the running game, Wabash gives up around 60 yd./game, so Sansone will struggle.
Despite DePauw's seemingly average run defense, we know the Wabash running game has struggled recently. I think the passing game is better than it has often shown because running has carried so much of the burden.
I've just reread this. Throw it all out. It's the Bell Game.

bashbrother · November 13, 2013, 12:10:41 PM

&*%& Depauw..... You took away some of our recent Monon Bell Week fun by hiring a coach that most, if not all of us respect. I miss the good ole' days of Robbie Long, covert cover ups within the athletic department.... ("Just give it time.... everyone will move on without an explanation") We can't even hammer your facilities anymore..... oh and speaking of the Bell itself, it just registered for permanent residence in Crawfordsville.

What to talk about..... Let's recap the week thus far:

We've covered that your D is as good as Witt's
We've briefly chatted about how anything can happen... IF Wabash's entire 1st team is called for targeting and ejected.
We've seen a medallion that Breck has worn....since last Saturday (Feel good story of Monon Bell Week thus far)
We've seen the 2012 Version of the Ballad.... I personally liked the prior version that cut away to the real game coverage... but it is pretty good with some new footage.
We've taken a look at the last three scoreboards
A few stats.... some videos of year's past...

Tic Toc.... Tic Toc. Ding.. Ding.. It's Wednesday.

Hate to say it, but this rivalry needs a close game.

A video that may help...... (Warning...some language. Dannies please get your parents permission before viewing) http://youtu.be/q7vtWB4owdE

Breckenridgebear · November 13, 2013, 12:43:05 PM

Quote from: sigma one on November 13, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
What's that old saying about lies, damn lies, and statistics. In general, there are just too many variables of play and situations to compare defenses that are not separated by a lot of space; eg. Wittenberg and Hiram, or Mt Union and Wilmington. Those passing against numbers for Witt are inflated by teams being well behind, usually early, and having to throw, reference Wabash last week as one example. The most telling number for me is the lack of separation in the points surrendered. It's the scoreboard that counts. You can take out Witt's defensive futility v. Butler (49pts) and that entertaining (but unusual) track meet v. Wooster (66-39) that inflate their pts against average. But you can also subtract DePauw's 45 pts against to Witt.
Etc. Etc.
In all other games, DePauw has surrendered 42 to Denison, a capable offensive team, but one that had no points production v. Wabash/Denison (50-13). Absent that result, the Tigers have allowed 10, 28, 11, 21, 7, 27, and 13. That's pretty darn respectable. They have not blown out anyone but Oberlin, a team Wabash struggled against offensively.
I'm rather more inclined to pay attention to the teams' offenses. Wabash has produced 47 points a game. DePauw has struggled against a lot of defenses, not any of them except Witt's nearly equal to Wabash's. DPU got 26 against Kenyon, 21 against Denison, 23 against OWU, 23 against Allegheny, 24 against Hiram.
On the other hand, throw away Witt's 35, which for them was not a ton of points, and Wabash's defense has been so dominant that there is the biggest advantage this week of anything I can point to about the two teams. Lynch will be smart about protecting his young QB, but will the Wabash's blitzes unnerve him so much that the DPU passing game sputters. He's about 5'11'' and the Wabsh front is 6'6", 6'5", 6'3, and in situation when they use 4 dlinemen add 6'2". As to the running game, Wabash gives up around 60 yd./game, so Sansone will struggle.
Despite DePauw's seemingly average run defense, we know the Wabash running game has struggled recently. I think the passing game is better than it has often shown because running has carried so much of the burden.
I've just reread this. Throw it all out. It's the Bell Game.

Thank you. Let us move beyond the stats and get on to the real issue, how bad we hate each other, and how horrible it must feel to be an alumni of the Crawfordstucky School of Furnace Repair and Air Conditioning Maintenance.

Quote from: bashbrother on November 13, 2013, 12:10:41 PM
&*%& Depauw..... You took away some of our recent Monon Bell Week fun by hiring a coach that most, if not all of us respect. I miss the good ole' days of Robbie Long, covert cover ups within the athletic department.... ("Just give it time.... everyone will move on without an explanation") We can't even hammer your facilities anymore..... oh and speaking of the Bell itself, it just registered for permanent residence in Crawfordsville.

What to talk about..... Let's recap the week thus far:

We've covered that your D is as good as Witt's
We've briefly chatted about how anything can happen... IF Wabash's entire 1st team is called for targeting and ejected.
We've seen a medallion that Breck has worn....since last Saturday (Feel good story of Monon Bell Week thus far)
We've seen the 2012 Version of the Ballad.... I personally liked the prior version that cut away to the real game coverage... but it is pretty good with some new footage.
We've taken a look at the last three scoreboards
A few stats.... some videos of year's past...

Tic Toc.... Tic Toc. Ding.. Ding.. It's Wednesday.

Hate to say it, but this rivalry needs a close game.

Dabashbrother, it is not a medallion, but a Conference Championship Ring. And you are right, it does feel good to wear. We had the Bell and a #4 put on it because that was more important than the Conference Win.

I agree, this rivalry needs a close game. We have closed the gap in coaching, facilities, etc... and I miss the old days of ripping on Long as well, but things have turned a corner at DePauw. I have a feeling that Coach Lynch and the boys will be up for this game, after all he knows what a Bell win feels like.

bashbrother · November 13, 2013, 01:17:51 PM

Just got word that ESPN College Gameday might be doing a piece or giving a mention on the Monon Bell on Saturday morning......

It was told to me that it would be between 10 and 10:30 am.... would be cool if it happens.

BashBacker#16 · November 13, 2013, 02:43:16 PM

I am wondering if after this Bell game, I will remember one DePauw player??? The last few Bell games I have walked away and not one player stood out. The talent from Greendingle has been flat out brutal. I am hopeful that I see a player that at least looks like a player. I am not sure that will happen. I remain hopeful.

The Stag is tonight - a Wednesday vs the traditional Thursday...why? Of course the Depauw brass had a conflict on Thursday... Figures. In year's past this has been a great event - I hope the turn out is good tonight.

SigmaOne - just when I think you have finally turned the corner and are on track, you throw out the "its the Bell game, throw out the stats..." Good Lord. Barf.

As of 2:39PM on Wednesday before the Bell game...I am going with...

Wabash 52
Dannies 7

#freeHouston

WAF

Would it help if the Dannies dressed the women's field hockey team? It would right? Hopefully they won't think of that. Stevie Baker-Watson-Jones-Smith-Jones-Lewis-Jackson-Smith would LOVE that though...

Schwami · November 13, 2013, 04:39:35 PM

What's the status of Nikko Sansone? Is he hurt?

Matt Hunt could be an OK player if he had a better name --- say, Turnip or Rutabaga. I kind of miss Spud Dick (now that we are all getting nostalgic about the good old days of competitive Bell Games).

DPU3619 · November 13, 2013, 05:16:29 PM

Don't know if I mentioned this before or not - the only guy I can recall in many years to be on both sides of this rivalry is in action tonight. Ben Needham played at DePauw under Lynch. He went on to be a GA at Wabash under Creighton. Now he's Paul Haynes DL coach at Kent State. Hosting Miami OH on ESPNU tonight.

wally_wabash · November 13, 2013, 05:59:17 PM

Quote from: Schwami on November 13, 2013, 04:39:35 PM
What's the status of Nikko Sansone? Is he hurt?

Matt Hunt could be an OK player if he had a better name --- say, Turnip or Rutabaga. I kind of miss Spud Dick (now that we are all getting nostalgic about the good old days of competitive Bell Games).

I do not miss Spud Dick. That kid couldn't graduate fast enough. Not sure what happens in 2009 if he doesn't get dinged up there. He could sling it.

bashbrother · November 13, 2013, 07:20:48 PM

120th Monon Bell Classic

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