Playoffs 2013

[umhb2001]

All the posts this week are interesting. I back ExTartan's thesis statement that TLU had no margin for error with the schedule it assembled. The SAA, as j said, knew what it was giving up.

I feel bad for the players who don't get to experience it, but not the schools who made their own playoff beds. It's good though, for the excitement of the playoffs, that supply is greater than demand. Weird as this sounds, teams not getting in make the desire to and reward of getting in even sweeter.

Definitely IWU-Wartburg. I think the second round in that bracket has the potential to be outstanding.

Off topic, I wonder what Midwestern ECACish games would look like.

Assuming the path continues, UMHB is going to be in that boat pretty soon, unless they can strike up  a deal with someone to play football. They'll be looking to get in on a Pool B bid. That's scary.

[TheOsprey]

Rowan pick-6; up 7-0 late 1st!!

Pros up 14-0; 100+ yards rushing for the RB @ half.

[02 Warhawk]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

second best conference in the nation...nope.

[Pat Coleman]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

[retagent]

I'm sure glad thatIWU got in as a Pool C. Concordia or St Thomas were obviously inferior to that powerhouse.

Also, wrdad, You might want to consider the MIAC. Look at Non-con record, as well as record vs the "SEC of D-III."

[Craft_Beermeister]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

second best conference in the nation...nope.

OAC second best in the nation.... nope.   Best in the nation? yep

[02 Warhawk]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't mean they are a great team. They just took advantage of playing in a week conference. You would think a Pool C team in the 2nd best rated conference in the country would win at least ONE playoff game in the past two seasons. The last team in the OAC (outside Mount) to win a playoff game I believe was Ohio Northern...6 years ago.

I'm not here to defend the WIAC, I've been saying all season Whitewater isn't nearly the same Whitewater from 2005 to 2011. They over achieved all season long this year, IMO. UWW's offense won't scare anyone this year. They may win one more, but that's about it. As a WIAC fan, I was glad to see a non-Whitewater team from the WIAC make it to the semi finals last year.

That's two years in a row now that a supposedly "good" OAC team was upset at home in the playoffs. Considering UMU only won by 14, maybe that says something about the OAC well?

I just think this is the season that neither Mount or Whitewater will reach the Stagg. Pat, I think I even heard you say the words that the playoffs are a good measuring stick on how godd a conference is.

[Pat Coleman]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't meen the are a great team.

When you compare the OAC to the UMAC, sorry -- I stop reading.

[02 Warhawk]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't meen the are a great team.

When you compare the OAC to the UMAC, sorry -- I stop reading.

I'm just comparing teams that dominated their conference...which means nothing on a national level.

[Ralph Turner]

I'm sure glad thatIWU got in as a Pool C. Concordia or St Thomas were obviously inferior to that powerhouse.

Also, wrdad, You might want to consider the MIAC. Look at Non-con record, as well as record vs the "SEC of D-III."

You can be the "SEC of D-III" when:

1)  Your head cheerleader represented your home state in the Miss America pageant.
2)  Your Barbecue is beef and pork, and you fight over which actually tastes better!
3)  You know the names, numbers and crew chiefs of all 13 drivers in the NASCAR Chase.
4)  You can sing "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Rainy Night in Georgia" equally well and you have "Georgia on Your Mind".
5)  The number "3" reminds you of Dale Earnhard Sr more often the points awarded for a Field Goal, either football or hoops.
6)  Hot spicy food is normal for your taste buds.
7)  Your Uncle Charley still has his "Hounds tooth" Hat that he wore attending every Alabama football game.
8)  You know exactly where you are when you hear "Cowbells", "Sooie Pig", "Roll Tide", "War Eagle", "How bout them Dawgs" or the "12th man".
9)  Half of your mascots are "cats" and "dogs".
and finally
10)  Your second person plural pronoun is y'all.

[Pat Coleman]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't meen the are a great team.

When you compare the OAC to the UMAC, sorry -- I stop reading.

I'm just comparing teams that dominated their conference...which means nothing on a national level.

One of these teams played Mount Union, and played them competitively. One of them played Whitworth and got crushed. For John Carroll we have an actual useful piece of information that helps us determine how good they are, and it's not games against Baldwin Wallace, Capital, Heidelberg, or whatever. It's against a team that is generally believed to be pretty good on a national level.

[02 Warhawk]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't meen the are a great team.

When you compare the OAC to the UMAC, sorry -- I stop reading.

I'm just comparing teams that dominated their conference...which means nothing on a national level.

One of these teams played Mount Union, and played them competitively. One of them played Whitworth and got crushed. For John Carroll we have an actual useful piece of information that helps us determine how good they are, and it's not games against Baldwin Wallace, Capital, Heidelberg, or whatever. It's against a team that is generally believed to be pretty good on a national level.

It certainly makes for a good debate. I'm not going to try to out wit you. In the six years i've been a part of this board I don't think you've ever lost an argument. 

It's just my opinion....but what do I know.

[Pat Coleman]

What I think today shows is that John Carroll was not a team that was likely to advance far, but not because of the strength of the OAC. It's because a team has to be able to win in the snow in the playoffs and if you can't run, that's going to make it really difficult to win.

Usually we have a couple more weeks before we have to consider a team's snow potential but it showed up today.

[kiko]

I'm sure glad thatIWU got in as a Pool C. Concordia or St Thomas were obviously inferior to that powerhouse.

Also, wrdad, You might want to consider the MIAC. Look at Non-con record, as well as record vs the "SEC of D-III."

You can be the "SEC of D-III" when:

1)  Your head cheerleader represented your home state in the Miss America pageant.
2)  Your Barbecue is beef and pork, and you fight over which actually tastes better!
3)  You know the names, numbers and crew chiefs of all 13 drivers in the NASCAR Chase.
4)  You can sing "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Rainy Night in Georgia" equally well and you have "Georgia on Your Mind".
5)  The number "3" reminds you of Dale Earnhard Sr more often the points awarded for a Field Goal, either football or hoops.
6)  Hot spicy food is normal for your taste buds.
7)  Your Uncle Charley still has his "Hounds tooth" Hat that he wore attending every Alabama football game.
8)  You know exactly where you are when you hear "Cowbells", "Sooie Pig", "Roll Tide", "War Eagle", "How bout them Dawgs" or the "12th man".
9)  Half of your mascots are "cats" and "dogs".
and finally
10)  Your second person plural pronoun is y'all.

I thought the plural was "all y'all".

(And "all y'all's" -- plural possessive.) 

[bleedpurple]

How many OAC pool C teams need to be upset in the first round before everyone realizes the OAC is far over rated?!?! There's Mount and nobody else.

Completely defensible position if you conveniently ignore last week's game. John Carroll took care of business all season, even blowing out the other good team in the league, and played Mount Union well last week. Yeah, today in the snow, didn't get it done but that's what the playoffs are like.

If you looked at the UWW-St. Norbert game today as the only game you look at all season you wouldn't think the WIAC and MWC are so far apart either. It's not like we think the Empire 8 is a crap league, right? Aren't we pretty much in agreement that that's a power conference?

Yes, they took care of business....in the OAC. That's kind of my point. St. Scholastica took care of business as well in their conference, that doesn't meen the are a great team.

When you compare the OAC to the UMAC, sorry -- I stop reading.

I'm just comparing teams that dominated their conference...which means nothing on a national level.

One of these teams played Mount Union, and played them competitively. One of them played Whitworth and got crushed. For John Carroll we have an actual useful piece of information that helps us determine how good they are, and it's not games against Baldwin Wallace, Capital, Heidelberg, or whatever. It's against a team that is generally believed to be pretty good on a national level.

It certainly makes for a good debate. I'm not going to try to out wit you. In the six years i've been a part of this board I don't think you've ever lost an argument. 

It's just my opinion....but what do I know.

That's a mystery I am continuing to try to figure out.