MBB: General Mid-Atlantic Conversation

[ronk]

 Guessing that the regional hosts for the Mid-Atlantic and Atlantic area will be Cabrini, Scranton, SUNY-Purchase, and either Richard Stockton or Alvernia. Wesley would have been worthy except for their small gym, so I'll stick them in this last regional as the pseudo host highest seed.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Wesley didn't even put in to host... so there's that .

Not sure Richard Stockton automatically gets to host... I think if the right teams are there, maybe. Cabrini and Scranton are locks, Purchase maybe depending on the teams around them. The problem is their resume along with Stockton's doesn't scream hosting.

That all being said, I am not sure the East has more than one host... and the Northeast isn't as strong this year, so for geographic reasons, they may send it to the Atlantic and Mid-Atlantic areas because they have candidates who are not weak and they can have some creative pod opportunities.

[CCHoopster]

Dave and others:

Who do we see representing the Mid-Atlantic Region this year/

Pool A AQ:

Scranton- Host
Cabrini- Host
Mary Wash- Host?
Alvernia- Host?
Johns Hopkins
DeSalles
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Pool C:

Wesley
Dickinson
Stevenson
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Messiah, St. Marys and the likes will come up short. Thought the Dickinson loss took a Pool C bid from the MA region. Any other pool C candidates in the MA? I know Dave had mentioned some teams with 7-8 losses possibly getting in. Any conference deserving of 3 teams in the MA (Commonwealth or CAC?)?

Strong season for the Mid Atlantic. Some really good teams and coaches will be representing us in the NCAA's and now need to make some noise in the dance for the region!

[mailsy]

I believe that Cabrini and Scranton are pretty much locks to host. I doubt that any other team will host in the region. I think Stevenson might come up short too, depending on what happens today, in getting in. Messiah and St. Mary's definitely played themselves out. You are correct about Dickinson, they shouldn't have lost, they will put somebody on the outs.

[CCHoopster]

I believe that Cabrini and Scranton are pretty much locks to host. I doubt that any other team will host in the region. I think Stevenson might come up short too, depending on what happens today, in getting in. Messiah and St. Mary's definitely played themselves out. You are correct about Dickinson, they shouldn't have lost, they will put somebody on the outs.

I was hoping either the CAC or Commonwealth could sneak 3 teams in!!!! Wishful thinking now I guess. My gut tells me (just based off what I have been reading on line via twitter and multi region board) without really understanding the numbers that Dickinson is the second MA Pool C and Stevenson sneaks in late, although will be on the table awhile. Would have been nice for Messiah/St. Mary's to force the committees hand to get in late too. Would love to see a National Championship from the region and some F4, Elite 8 participants!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Pool C's will be Wesley and then either Dickinson or Stevenson are a lock (there is a resonable argument to move Stevenson ahead of Dickinson in the final rankings). The other will have a chance, but not a lot of upsets have to happen today (VWC, UT-Dallas and Springfield all need to win).

Outside of that, I don't see any other bids. Messiah, CNU and SMC are not going to move ahead of Stevenson or Dickinson to get a chance at the table... meaning one is left at the table and the other two are left behind them.

As for hosting... I think Scranton and Cabrini will certainly host... the other chances will depend on how the bracket comes together.

[CCHoopster]

When is the first time top 25 rankings are released? Why is there such a gap between pre-season rankings and the first official release? If the committee can come up with pre season rankings why can't they come up with weekly or bi weekly in season rankings earlier? I am assuming its because they need more of a sample size to do justice and avoid making it an early season crap shoot. If that is the case, why even do pre season rankings since that would be the biggest chance of a crap shoot since there is no data or sample size of any sort. Not complaining just wondering.... With top 25 teams losing, would be excited to see how it would change through out the whole season/

[sunny]

When is the first time top 25 rankings are released? Why is there such a gap between pre-season rankings and the first official release? If the committee can come up with pre season rankings why can't they come up with weekly or bi weekly in season rankings earlier? I am assuming its because they need more of a sample size to do justice and avoid making it an early season crap shoot. If that is the case, why even do pre season rankings since that would be the biggest chance of a crap shoot since there is no data or sample size of any sort. Not complaining just wondering.... With top 25 teams losing, would be excited to see how it would change through out the whole season/

Considering there were a sizable number of teams who did not open their seasons this weekend, I think it makes sense to wait. A preseason poll is based on last year's performance and projection. Once you actually have games being played, it's nice to wait until everyone has played.

[CCHoopster]

When is the first time top 25 rankings are released? Why is there such a gap between pre-season rankings and the first official release? If the committee can come up with pre season rankings why can't they come up with weekly or bi weekly in season rankings earlier? I am assuming its because they need more of a sample size to do justice and avoid making it an early season crap shoot. If that is the case, why even do pre season rankings since that would be the biggest chance of a crap shoot since there is no data or sample size of any sort. Not complaining just wondering.... With top 25 teams losing, would be excited to see how it would change through out the whole season/

Considering there were a sizable number of teams who did not open their seasons this weekend, I think it makes sense to wait. A preseason poll is based on last year's performance and projection. Once you actually have games being played, it's nice to wait until everyone has played.

I re-watched Hoopsville and heard about Thanksgiving time frame for first release. I thought it was a few weeks later than that. Thanksgiving makes perfect sense. I was off.

[CCHoopster]

When is the first time top 25 rankings are released? Why is there such a gap between pre-season rankings and the first official release? If the committee can come up with pre season rankings why can't they come up with weekly or bi weekly in season rankings earlier? I am assuming its because they need more of a sample size to do justice and avoid making it an early season crap shoot. If that is the case, why even do pre season rankings since that would be the biggest chance of a crap shoot since there is no data or sample size of any sort. Not complaining just wondering.... With top 25 teams losing, would be excited to see how it would change through out the whole season/

I re read and learned top 25 comes out again at Thanksgiving. Excited for the season and the top 25 see saw!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

There is always a delay to the first poll to the second week of the season. There are too many questions and results that need to be sorted out to bring a poll out in the very first Monday after the season has started. I rather have more info in front of me then basing my voting on one to three games. Thus, the poll has never been released on the very first Monday/Tuesday.

And pre-season polls are part of the business... so you are going to get those all of the time.

[Pat Coleman]

There is always a delay to the first poll to the second week of the season. There are too many questions and results that need to be sorted out to bring a poll out in the very first Monday after the season has started. I rather have more info in front of me then basing my voting on one to three games. Thus, the poll has never been released on the very first Monday/Tuesday.

And pre-season polls are part of the business... so you are going to get those all of the time.

"Never" is a strong word -- we used to do a first poll right away but it has been probably 8-10 years since we last did so because those first polls were not very well informed. We like to let teams play a few more games now.

[CCHoopster]

Messiah's win vs Eastern Mennonite is a big win for the region. Respect to Messiah who is 2-0 vs the ODAC the past two years (Guilford and Eastern Mennonite).Need this region to perform in the tournament.

[NEPAFAN]

Scranton with a big win against Cabrini.

Walton-Moss should be playing in the Big East lol.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/