MBB: General Mid-Atlantic Conversation

[CCHoopster]

Messiah and Wesley certainly did not help themselves this week. Wesley was solidified as #1 (SOS better than Cabrini?) or 2 and Messiah with their SOS and win% was ahead of the second tier pack (Dickinson, Scranton, McDaniel) in the RR's. Messiah probably gets dinged pretty good for Lycoming loss and Wesley goes to #3. However, I wouldn't say Messiah is clearly behind Scranton, Dickinson and McDaniel. I believe their SOS #'s will be better than those 3 and their win % will be the same or maybe better depending how tomorrow goes. Should really be interesting. Certainly tightens things up from 4-9 in the RR. No more slip ups for Wesley and Mary Wash and Cabrini can not have a night like Wesley did last night. Landmark, Centennial and CSAC are just not even close to the depth as the CAC then MAC Commonwealth.

[ronk]

My revised RRs after today's action; RAC 1st release on 12 Feb

1. Cabrini
2. Wesley
3. Scranton
4. Dickinson
5. McDaniel
6. Messiah
7. Mary Washington
8. St. Mary's
9. Christopher Newport

[mailsy]

I'll take a stab regional rankings.

1. Cabrini
2. Wesley
3. Mary Washington
4. Scranton
5. Dickinson
6. Messiah
7. St. Mary's
8. Christopher Newport
9. Gwynedd Mercy (no one has mentioned them yet. They are 14-4 against D3 schools with 2 of their losses to Cabrini)

[CCHoopster]

Cabrini
Wesley- Bad loss but still strong enough numbers
Messiah- 17-3, dropped a bad one on the road to Lycoming College but all 3 losses on the road, one in 2 ot, one by buzzer beater. Good SOS numbers
Scranton- Cream of the crop in a conference that is not currently deep or strong. Merchant Marine loss hurts them and SOS
Dickinson- Could see them being hire but the Centennial like the Landmark is not very deep or strong this year. That hurts their sos
Mary Wash- The loss, especially with it being at home, hurts Mary Washington. I am probably wrong, probably in the top 4.
McDaniel- Surprise team this year, just not sure the Centennial SOS will help them enough.
St. Mary's
Alvernia- Surprised their not getting some more thoughts on peoples RR's. Really good team, could be a post season sleeper. SOS good

CNU, Hood, Gwynedd Mercy

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

CCHoopster... when you talk about SOS, what are you basing the info on. Remember, we don't actually know the hard SOS numbers and won't until Wednesday.

[CCHoopster]

Just making guesses and if the rankings come out like I guessed thinking they would be the reasons (the sos #s). Kind of like if you pick the winner of a game then say why think so. I wouldn't take mine too serious.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The only reason I bring it up is because SOS numbers are usually the biggest surprise for people... considering the math and the opponent's opponent's winning percentage along with the weighted values... some people think an SOS would be higher then they turn out to be... so, I was just checking.

[saratoga]

For what it's worth.......

*Cabrini
*Wesley
*Scranton
*Messiah
*Mary Washington
*Dickinson
*McDaniel
*St. Mary's
*Gwynedd Mercy

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just for the record, according to KnightSlappy's approximation for SOS:

1   Salisbury                          0.588 (.500 WP)
2   Christopher Newport      0.552 (.632 WP)
3   St. Marys (Md.)                  0.551 (.684 WP)
4   Alvernia                          0.550 (.714 WP)
5   Albright                          0.544 (.524 WP)
6   Catholic                          0.538 (.700 WP)
   Johns Hopkins                  0.538 (.600 WP)
8   Juniata                          0.533 (.600 WP)
9   Muhlenberg                  0.531 (.650 WP)
10   Wesley                          0.530 (.889 WP)
11   Messiah                          0.522 (.850 WP)
12   Hood                          0.520 (.737 WP)
13   Stevenson                  0.517 (.667 WP)
14   Dickinson                          0.516 (.810 WP)
15   Cabrini                          0.506 (1.000 WP)
   Scranton                          0.506 (.857 WP)
17   Neumann                          0.505 (.737 WP)
18   Mary Washington           0.504 (.850 WP)
19   Gwynedd-Mercy          0.478 (.778 WP)
20   McDaniel                          0.476 (.800 WP)

Notice that teams like Scranton do not have good SOS numbers against their winning percentages. Team's like Salisbury do not have great winning percentages compared to their SOS.

As a result, without all the other criteria considered:

1 - Cabrini
2 - Wesley
3 - Messiah
4 - Scranton
5 - Mary Washington
6 - Dickinson
7 - St. Mary's
8 - Catholic
9 - Alvernia

[mailsy]

Here is poster Knightsslappy's take on the regional rankings in the MidAtlantic:

RG   ##   WP      wSOS    wRPI    NAT   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MA   01   1.000   0.506   0.630   009   18-0    3-0   CSAC     Cabrini
MA   02   0.889   0.530   0.620   016   16-2    3-0   CAC      Wesley
MA   03   0.850   0.522   0.604   024   17-3    2-0   MACC     Messiah
MA   04   0.857   0.506   0.594   032   18-3    3-1   LAND     Scranton
MA   05   0.850   0.504   0.591   038   17-3    3-1   CAC      Mary Washington
MA   06   0.714   0.550   0.591   039   15-6    0-3   MACC     Alvernia
MA   07   0.810   0.516   0.589   041   17-4    3-1   CC       Dickinson
MA   08   0.684   0.551   0.584   046   13-6    1-4   CAC      St. Marys (Md.)
MA   09   0.700   0.538   0.578   049   14-6    0-4   LAND     Catholic
ma   10   0.737   0.520   0.574   060   14-5    1-2   MACC     Hood
ma   11   0.632   0.552   0.572   061   12-7    2-5   CAC      Christopher Newport
ma   12   0.500   0.588   0.566   067   9-9     3-5   CAC      Salisbury
ma   13   0.737   0.505   0.563   072   14-5    1-2   CSAC     Neumann
ma   14   0.650   0.531   0.561   077   13-7    1-1   CC       Muhlenberg
ma   15   0.800   0.476   0.557   080   16-4    0-1   CC       McDaniel
ma   16   0.667   0.517   0.554   088   14-7    3-2   MACC     Stevenson
ma   17   0.600   0.538   0.553   090   12-8    1-3   CC       Johns Hopkins
ma   18   0.778   0.478   0.553   091   14-4    0-2   CSAC     Gwynedd-Mercy
ma   19   0.600   0.533   0.550   099   12-8    3-3   LAND     Juniata
ma   20   0.524   0.544   0.539   118   11-10   1-4   MACC     Albright

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Remember... he is going by his RPI there...

[CCHoopster]

Do tomorrow's Regional Rankings come out before tomorrow nights games? Pretty sure the obvious answer is yes. Also, do they include games played this week, last night and tonight?

Thanks.

CC

[Pat Coleman]

Do tomorrow's Regional Rankings come out before tomorrow nights games? Pretty sure the obvious answer is yes. Also, do they include games played this week, last night and tonight?

Thanks.

CC

They are through Sunday's games. Generally we see them sometime after 3 p.m. ET but it's not set for a specific time.

[CCHoopster]

Do tomorrow's Regional Rankings come out before tomorrow nights games? Pretty sure the obvious answer is yes. Also, do they include games played this week, last night and tonight?

Thanks.

CC

They are through Sunday's games. Generally we see them sometime after 3 p.m. ET but it's not set for a specific time.

Thank you kindly.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To give you a basic timeline:

- Games are through Sunday
- Regional committees discusses and votes on Monday
- National Committee discusses and votes on Tuesday
- Rankings released Wednesday