BB: Pool C

[Jim Dixon]

Mr Ypsi is correct!

How often this can be said.

On topic is that the softball tourney is a week later than it was last year.  The NCAA did not take away a week of games, but added a week to the end of the season.  What this means is that it is unlikley that we will cover softball like we did last year.  I was prepared to go to Texas for the softball finals but soon discovered softball is now the same weekend as baseball.

[y_jack_lok]

There was a year recently when the NJAC had four bids.

Heck there was a World Series with four NJAC teams out of the six team final.

I thought it was an eight team final. Am I wrong, or did it used to be six?

[Spence]

The LEC, OAC and WIAC will very likely get 2 bids this year, but that doesn't happen every year, and if a spoiler team wins the conference tournament, with the way Pool C is filling up, nothing is assured even for these 3. Marietta winning the OAC by 2 games clear was certainly an interesting development that might change how the committee thinks about the teams in that league.

Interesting....  Going back to 2000 (just took a round year)  the WIAC has put multiple teams in the Regionals, ten out of fourteen years.  This includes 2008 when three teams (Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Whitewater) got in.  The only years the WIAC put in only one team since 2000 were in 2006 (Stevens Point,) 2004 (Whitewater,) 2002 (Stevens Point,) and 2000 (Whitewater.)

I'd say for the most part, it's usually a safe bet that the WIAC is going to put two teams in Regionals, especially looking at how things have played out over the last 10-15 years.

As far as your other comments, the WIAC has put four different teams (out of a possible seven) in Regionals, had three different teams win Regionals, and had two teams win Championships in the last twenty years.

If the WIAC isn't considered a "power conference" in baseball, I'm thinking there aren't any....

Just out of curiosity, how would the NJAC compare over that same time period?

I don't think two teams make a conference, and that's pretty much what it's been lately. Though in the WIAC, 2 teams is close to half a league. And before that, it was every other year. I look at the number of bids that true power conferences in D1 get and I'm thinking you're right, there aren't any. Happy?

That said, I really don't think this is at all worth getting upset about.

[Spence]

There was a year recently when the NJAC had four bids.

Heck there was a World Series with four NJAC teams out of the six team final.

I thought it was an eight team final. Am I wrong, or did it used to be six?

I think it's been as small as four.

What year was the 4 NJAC teams? I knew of a year with 3 but not 4...which doesn't mean I'm saying there wasn't, just that I didn't know.

[EttaFan1]

I thought it was an eight team final. Am I wrong, or did it used to be six?

Go back far enough and it used to be FOUR!  1982 was the first year with six teams.  1991 was the first year with 8. 

In 1983, there were two OAC teams who met in the championship game, which Marietta won handily over Otterbein.

1984 had Montclair St, Ramapo and Glassboro State (now Rowan).

[Spence]

That's the year I remembered as far as NJAC goes.

[cubs]

The LEC, OAC and WIAC will very likely get 2 bids this year, but that doesn't happen every year, and if a spoiler team wins the conference tournament, with the way Pool C is filling up, nothing is assured even for these 3. Marietta winning the OAC by 2 games clear was certainly an interesting development that might change how the committee thinks about the teams in that league.

Interesting....  Going back to 2000 (just took a round year)  the WIAC has put multiple teams in the Regionals, ten out of fourteen years.  This includes 2008 when three teams (Oshkosh, Stevens Point, and Whitewater) got in.  The only years the WIAC put in only one team since 2000 were in 2006 (Stevens Point,) 2004 (Whitewater,) 2002 (Stevens Point,) and 2000 (Whitewater.)

I'd say for the most part, it's usually a safe bet that the WIAC is going to put two teams in Regionals, especially looking at how things have played out over the last 10-15 years.

As far as your other comments, the WIAC has put four different teams (out of a possible seven) in Regionals, had three different teams win Regionals, and had two teams win Championships in the last twenty years.

If the WIAC isn't considered a "power conference" in baseball, I'm thinking there aren't any....

Just out of curiosity, how would the NJAC compare over that same time period?

I don't think two teams make a conference, and that's pretty much what it's been lately. Though in the WIAC, 2 teams is close to half a league. And before that, it was every other year. I look at the number of bids that true power conferences in D1 get and I'm thinking you're right, there aren't any. Happy?

That said, I really don't think this is at all worth getting upset about.

Glad you feel that way, since four of the seven WIAC teams have made Regionals since 2007, a time period that has seen the WIAC qualify two teams for Regionals every year.  That would seem to show it is more than a two team conference. 

I suppose though when both Whitewater and Stevens Point have made Regionals six out of those seven years while Oshkosh and La Crosse have only made it twice and once respectively, it can seem like a two team league.

And by the way, not upset....  Just wanted some facts out there instead of strictly opinions.

[Spence]

I don't know what you think you're proving cherry picking time frames and criteria.

That's as dumb as saying the OAC is a power conference now because Otterbein won a couple of times in the last decade, even though they finished like 6th or whatever this year.

Why does everyone on the board feel like they have to take it personally because I don't fawn over their program/conference/kid? It's not an insult to say the NJAC is better than your league, because it's better than every league.

You want to make this a big thing? Come on, tempt me. I'm not in the mood to deal with it.

[BigPoppa]

It would be interesting to see how many bids have been awarded overall since D3 began and compare that to how many each conference has earned... no way I have the time to calculate that.

[Spence]

Interesting, but not sure how relevant to today it would be. A lot of leagues would be accounted for by mostly one team, and Linfield and that league hasn't even been D3 that long.

Yeah I don't have time for it either. I've got like 3 things to do just in the next hour now that this game is over haha. In a slightly better mood after MC's come-from-behind win. Don't know if they'll make it or not, but BW could definitely compete in a regional.

[cubs]

I don't know what you think you're proving cherry picking time frames and criteria.

That's as dumb as saying the OAC is a power conference now because Otterbein won a couple of times in the last decade, even though they finished like 6th or whatever this year.

Why does everyone on the board feel like they have to take it personally because I don't fawn over their program/conference/kid? It's not an insult to say the NJAC is better than your league, because it's better than every league.

You want to make this a big thing? Come on, tempt me. I'm not in the mood to deal with it.

The criteria I am picked are in response to your posts.... 

Anyway, you said the "WIAC will very likely get 2 bids this year, but that doesn't happen every year." 
-I just responded saying that since 2007 the WIAC has had two (or more) teams gets bids every year to show that recent history disagrees with your statement.  Makes sense to use 2007 then doesn't it?

I know, I shouldn't let facts get in the way!!!

[Spence]

I don't know what you think you're proving cherry picking time frames and criteria.

That's as dumb as saying the OAC is a power conference now because Otterbein won a couple of times in the last decade, even though they finished like 6th or whatever this year.

Why does everyone on the board feel like they have to take it personally because I don't fawn over their program/conference/kid? It's not an insult to say the NJAC is better than your league, because it's better than every league.

You want to make this a big thing? Come on, tempt me. I'm not in the mood to deal with it.

The criteria I am picked are in response to your posts.... 

Anyway, you said the "WIAC will very likely get 2 bids this year, but that doesn't happen every year." 
-I just responded saying that since 2007 the WIAC has had two (or more) teams gets bids every year to show that recent history disagrees with your statement.  Makes sense to use 2007 then doesn't it?

I know, I shouldn't let facts get in the way!!!

Yeah if you're cherry picking dates I guess it does.

No scholarships, artificially low tax subsidized tuition, 10k+ students going against mostly smaller schools in D-III, and still you've only got 2 programs really doing anything? Wow, super impressive.

I told you not to tempt me. You want me to start on admissions standards next?

[tigerfan_2001]

glad to know it isnt just me

[cubs]

I don't know what you think you're proving cherry picking time frames and criteria.

That's as dumb as saying the OAC is a power conference now because Otterbein won a couple of times in the last decade, even though they finished like 6th or whatever this year.

Why does everyone on the board feel like they have to take it personally because I don't fawn over their program/conference/kid? It's not an insult to say the NJAC is better than your league, because it's better than every league.

You want to make this a big thing? Come on, tempt me. I'm not in the mood to deal with it.

The criteria I am picked are in response to your posts.... 

Anyway, you said the "WIAC will very likely get 2 bids this year, but that doesn't happen every year." 
-I just responded saying that since 2007 the WIAC has had two (or more) teams gets bids every year to show that recent history disagrees with your statement.  Makes sense to use 2007 then doesn't it?

I know, I shouldn't let facts get in the way!!!

Yeah if you're cherry picking dates I guess it does.

No scholarships, artificially low tax subsidized tuition, 10k+ students going against mostly smaller schools in D-III, and still you've only got 2 programs really doing anything? Wow, super impressive.

I told you not to tempt me. You want me to start on admissions standards next?

No need to...  Those of us regulars on the WIAC boards have heard the same whining for years, and years, and years....  The only difference is it would be coming from somebody different.  It's only gotten worse with Whitewater winning both the Football and Men's Basketball National Championship's this year.  I can only imagine how bad the crying would get if they happen to win the Baseball title again like they did in 2005.

[Spence]

Yeah crying, that's what it is.  Get back to me when a WIAC team has 6 championships and 13 title game appearances, with like 1/10 the enrollment. Cry about that. Not to mention that Wisconsin has what, 1 D-I baseball program and a couple of D-II? How the heck do you not make it every year with the whole danged state to pick from? Sure wish we had that in Ohio, instead of like 50 colleges to fight against.

Jeez...had no idea that making the very reasonable statement that D-III doesn't have power conferences like D-I does would be in any way controversial.