Liberty League

[kevdog]

Does anyone know how the Liberty League does tie breakers because at the end of the season there could be a 3 way tie for first place with SLU, Hobart, and Union if SLU and Union win their final games.

[stlawus]

Tie breakers are head to head followed by results from the top down. If all 3 of those teams are at 19 points then SLU wins the league since they have the head to head tie breaker over Hobart and top down result against Hobart compared to Union who lost to Hobart. (SLU and Union h2h is irrelevant since they tied).  Hobart has the head to head over Union so they would finish ahead.

Had to rewrite this about 5 times because there are so many scenarios that it's easy to get confused.  I believe SLU can finish no lower than 4th.

[Saint of Old]

LL Prediction

1. Vassar
2.SLU
3. RIT
4. Hobart
5. RPI
6.Skidmore

Right now, as we stand, this is a .500 batting average.

One can look at this as an old fogie, picking tourney teams from a historical basis without taking into account the trajectory, recruiting or finer points of a team.

On the other hand, it could just be that this is a very competitive league where the team many people thought would win the league gets bumped out of a top 6 qualifying spot.

Or it might be both

Big game todayfor Vassar!

[kevdog]

I would have never thought in my wildest dreams that Union could finish 2nd and Vassar might not even make the league tournament but here we are.

[1970s NESCAC Player]

I would have never thought in my wildest dreams that Union could finish 2nd and Vassar might not even make the league tournament but here we are.

As some long-time posters may be aware, Union was a perennial top 3 LL squad from approx. 2005-2013, with a league title, an NCAA appearance, multiple LL finals appearances, many all conference players, and at least one AA.  In only two years, Coach Brown has done a commendable job recruiting, upgrading the SOS, and reestablishing a winning culture.  Union is a very attractive school with many fine athletic programs, including D-1 hockey (2014 NCAA Champions), so it is only appropriate that they re-join the top of the LL.

[Saint_Dad]

Union is much improved with some good first year players.  They should be at or near the top of the table for years to come.  Hobart has an outside chance for a pool c spot if they win Saturday and lose in the finals.  It's possible.  But I see SLU winning at Hobart this weekend with the awakening of their offense.  SLU's defense has been tough all year, with the only game giving up more than one goal being to top 20 team Cortland, with only 10 men on the field.  If SLU is able to pull off the victory Saturday, they will be tough to beat at home in the playoffs. If they do, I expect SLU to go to the NCAA's for a third year in a row.

[Saint of Old]

At the risk of sounding like Gary Nevelle, making the NCAAs should be an expectation of any big team.
Things can happen in any season, but a minimal goal should be dancing.
I dont think SLU has missed the dance 4 times in the last quarter century if my math is correct .

Either way, as has been said above, teams are improving, from Bard to Clarkson and Union and like Man United is finding out success is not a given when other teams have quality recruiting pipelines and resources that they did not have before.

Thant being said, Tosh builds his teams for November and SLU v. Hobart historically happens in late October.

Anything can happen on Saturday, but the 6th seed in the conference can win the entire thing so the next two weeks should be fun to watch.

[Shooter McGavin]

2nd ranking prediction

Region 3
1. Cortland
2. Oneonta
3. Brockport
4. Rochester
5. Buff St
6. New Paltz
7. Hobart

Others: Plattsburgh, SLU

[kevdog]

I would have never thought in my wildest dreams that Union could finish 2nd and Vassar might not even make the league tournament but here we are.

As some long-time posters may be aware, Union was a perennial top 3 LL squad from approx. 2005-2013, with a league title, an NCAA appearance, multiple LL finals appearances, many all conference players, and at least one AA.  In only two years, Coach Brown has done a commendable job recruiting, upgrading the SOS, and reestablishing a winning culture.  Union is a very attractive school with many fine athletic programs, including D-1 hockey (2014 NCAA Champions), so it is only appropriate that they re-join the top of the LL.

They use to be very good in the 80's and early 90's. Union is top notch school and their coach has done very well in bringing them back to respectability.  It should be interesting the next few years to see if they continue this trajectory of being in the top 6 year in and year out.

[Crossit4fun]

I'll guess...

Region 3
1. Cortland
2. Oneonta
3. Brockport
4. New Paltz
5. Rochester
6. Buff St
7. Hobart

Others: SLU, Geneseo

[kevdog]

At the risk of sounding like Gary Nevelle, making the NCAAs should be an expectation of any big team.
Things can happen in any season, but a minimal goal should be dancing.
I dont think SLU has missed the dance 4 times in the last quarter century if my math is correct .

Either way, as has been said above, teams are improving, from Bard to Clarkson and Union and like Man United is finding out success is not a given when other teams have quality recruiting pipelines and resources that they did not have before.

Thant being said, Tosh builds his teams for November and SLU v. Hobart historically happens in late October.

Anything can happen on Saturday, but the 6th seed in the conference can win the entire thing so the next two weeks should be fun to watch.

Your right that it should be the expectations and I think that we SLU fans expect it every year becasue we are so use to it. Durocher and Tosh have built a winning tradition.  The problem is that when you do this it is expected every year but that is good problem to have.

[Saint of Old]

At the risk of sounding like Gary Nevelle, making the NCAAs should be an expectation of any big team.
Things can happen in any season, but a minimal goal should be dancing.
I dont think SLU has missed the dance 4 times in the last quarter century if my math is correct .

Either way, as has been said above, teams are improving, from Bard to Clarkson and Union and like Man United is finding out success is not a given when other teams have quality recruiting pipelines and resources that they did not have before.

Thant being said, Tosh builds his teams for November and SLU v. Hobart historically happens in late October.

Anything can happen on Saturday, but the 6th seed in the conference can win the entire thing so the next two weeks should be fun to watch.

Your right that it should be the expectations and I think that we SLU fans expect it every year becasue we are so use to it. Durocher and Tosh have built a winning tradition.  The problem is that when you do this it is expected every year but that is good problem to have.

Crazy indeed that the entire SLU Coaching history since 1962 can be summed up by what would have been the all-time greatest REGGAE/ROCK and ROLL concert of all time:
"2 Bobs and a Mike"

Consistency and tradition.

Coach (Bob) Goodwin had many good wins.

[Christan Shirk]

REGION III - NCAA REGIONAL RANKINGS - October 25, 2023

Rank	School	. Div. III . Record	. Div. III . SOS	. R-v-R .	. Overall . Record	. Prev. . Rank
1.	Cortland State	13-2-2	0.597	5-1-2	13-2-2	Y
2.	Oneonta State	12-2-2	0.586	1-2-2	12-2-2	Y
3.	Brockport State	9-2-5	0.579	2-1-3	9-2-5	Y
4.	New Paltz State	9-2-4	0.584	1-2-2	9-2-4	Y
5.	Rochester	7-2-5	0.581	1-1-2	7-2-5	Y
6.	Buffalo State	10-3-3	0.556	1-3-1	10-3-3	Y
7.	Plattsburgh State	7-3-5	0.559	0-2-3	7-3-5	Y

[stlawus]

Stop if you've heard this before:  Vassar takes a 1-0 lead into halftime from a goal scored off a corner

[kevdog]

Saint Mogul takes a terrible PK but makes up for it with a nice goal. Brown is playing very well. Growing on me. Defense was a little shaky in the beginning but improved. Diaz not as composed as he usually is nor as sharp with his passes. Maybe having an off game and hopefully that will change in the 2nd half. Counterattack is looking dangerous