121st Monon Bell Classic

[Breckenridgebear]

"Well documented"? I only hear words. Proof or it didn't happen.

DePauw English majors-Yawn. Ok- so we are all up to speed 1998 was the first year after DPU left for "greener pastures" of the "superior competiton" (and frequent flyer miles) of the SCAC. It was the first nonconference game and not under ICAC (now HCAC) league rules which forbade live scouting of conference opponents. DPU live scouted every game. To say coach nick and Greg Carlson didnt take too kindly to each other would be a bit of an understatement. The game was a blowout. Wabash had won the conference championship the week before (we didn't get AQs until 1999). Wabash played poorly and did not respond well to the situation on the field. At halftime, the Wabash based chain crew who worked on the depauw side of the field warned Wabash coaches that they thought DPU knew all the plays. No adjustments were made. I believe the 7 points that Wabash did score were either a defensive td or a broken play or audible. Carlson filed a complaint against coach nick to the AFCA- who admitted that the scouting took place. No rules were technically broken. The AFCA dismissed the complaint and encouraged the schools to iron out all details in future game contracts. Carlson was shown the door two seasons later after losing the next two bell games and still stands as the #2 winningest football coach in Wabash history, one elusive win short of the #1 spot.

After dePauw wins in both 1996 and 1998 in Crawfordsville, depauw students stormed the field and tore down the goalposts. Wabash fans didn't take too kindly to that either and both fan sections had an opportunity to express their feelings about their opponents in a very up close and personal manner. If there ever was a low point of the rivalry, it was then. Fast forward to 2001, a miracle catch as time expired in greencastle sent the bell back north. Surprisingly, those of us celebrating in the end zone decided to leave the DPU goalposts alone.

After searching http://www.wanttoknow.info/ I still can't find any reference to this theory. I do find it interesting that Dabash had spies on our sideline and still couldn't make a game of it.

Yet another summary smackdown of the dabear....so funny. I'm sure he reacts like this after every Wabash post:

http://youtu.be/YersIyzsOpc 

I don't get it.

[Wabash Hokie]

"Well documented"? I only hear words. Proof or it didn't happen.

DePauw English majors-Yawn. Ok- so we are all up to speed 1998 was the first year after DPU left for "greener pastures" of the "superior competiton" (and frequent flyer miles) of the SCAC. It was the first nonconference game and not under ICAC (now HCAC) league rules which forbade live scouting of conference opponents. DPU live scouted every game. To say coach nick and Greg Carlson didnt take too kindly to each other would be a bit of an understatement. The game was a blowout. Wabash had won the conference championship the week before (we didn't get AQs until 1999). Wabash played poorly and did not respond well to the situation on the field. At halftime, the Wabash based chain crew who worked on the depauw side of the field warned Wabash coaches that they thought DPU knew all the plays. No adjustments were made. I believe the 7 points that Wabash did score were either a defensive td or a broken play or audible. Carlson filed a complaint against coach nick to the AFCA- who admitted that the scouting took place. No rules were technically broken. The AFCA dismissed the complaint and encouraged the schools to iron out all details in future game contracts. Carlson was shown the door two seasons later after losing the next two bell games and still stands as the #2 winningest football coach in Wabash history, one elusive win short of the #1 spot.

After dePauw wins in both 1996 and 1998 in Crawfordsville, depauw students stormed the field and tore down the goalposts. Wabash fans didn't take too kindly to that either and both fan sections had an opportunity to express their feelings about their opponents in a very up close and personal manner. If there ever was a low point of the rivalry, it was then. Fast forward to 2001, a miracle catch as time expired in greencastle sent the bell back north. Surprisingly, those of us celebrating in the end zone decided to leave the DPU goalposts alone.

After searching http://www.wanttoknow.info/ I still can't find any reference to this theory. I do find it interesting that Dabash had spies on our sideline and still couldn't make a game of it.

Yet another summary smackdown of the dabear....so funny. I'm sure he reacts like this after every Wabash post:

I don't get it.

Bear:


For me, I was more pissed at the Wabash coaching staff than at DPU for stealing our signals.  Etiquette be damned, that was a major oversight in my opinion.  I did not see the game and only learned of the details afterward.  I was surprised that we did not change our signals specifically for the DePauw game - we did the one year that I played.  Secondly, when told what was going at the half, the coaches did nothing.  During the second half, the DePauw players could still be heard on the sidelines calling our plays after they were signaled in.  I never understood the basis for Carlson's complaint other than an attempt to cover his embarrassment and to shift the blame to DePauw. From what I have read, since DePauw was no longer part of the conference, the coach was not bound by any legal authority not to steal signs.  Other Wabash posters may not agree, but this one was on Wabash.  I think that is why it is such a burr under our saddle.

[Breckenridgebear]

"Well documented"? I only hear words. Proof or it didn't happen.

DePauw English majors-Yawn. Ok- so we are all up to speed 1998 was the first year after DPU left for "greener pastures" of the "superior competiton" (and frequent flyer miles) of the SCAC. It was the first nonconference game and not under ICAC (now HCAC) league rules which forbade live scouting of conference opponents. DPU live scouted every game. To say coach nick and Greg Carlson didnt take too kindly to each other would be a bit of an understatement. The game was a blowout. Wabash had won the conference championship the week before (we didn't get AQs until 1999). Wabash played poorly and did not respond well to the situation on the field. At halftime, the Wabash based chain crew who worked on the depauw side of the field warned Wabash coaches that they thought DPU knew all the plays. No adjustments were made. I believe the 7 points that Wabash did score were either a defensive td or a broken play or audible. Carlson filed a complaint against coach nick to the AFCA- who admitted that the scouting took place. No rules were technically broken. The AFCA dismissed the complaint and encouraged the schools to iron out all details in future game contracts. Carlson was shown the door two seasons later after losing the next two bell games and still stands as the #2 winningest football coach in Wabash history, one elusive win short of the #1 spot.

After dePauw wins in both 1996 and 1998 in Crawfordsville, depauw students stormed the field and tore down the goalposts. Wabash fans didn't take too kindly to that either and both fan sections had an opportunity to express their feelings about their opponents in a very up close and personal manner. If there ever was a low point of the rivalry, it was then. Fast forward to 2001, a miracle catch as time expired in greencastle sent the bell back north. Surprisingly, those of us celebrating in the end zone decided to leave the DPU goalposts alone.

After searching http://www.wanttoknow.info/ I still can't find any reference to this theory. I do find it interesting that Dabash had spies on our sideline and still couldn't make a game of it.

Yet another summary smackdown of the dabear....so funny. I'm sure he reacts like this after every Wabash post:

I don't get it.

Bear:


For me, I was more pissed at the Wabash coaching staff than at DPU for stealing our signals.  Etiquette be damned, that was a major oversight in my opinion.  I did not see the game and only learned of the details afterward.  I was surprised that we did not change our signals specifically for the DePauw game - we did the one year that I played.  Secondly, when told what was going at the half, the coaches did nothing.  During the second half, the DePauw players could still be heard on the sidelines calling our plays after they were signaled in.  I never understood the basis for Carlson's complaint other than an attempt to cover his embarrassment and to shift the blame to DePauw. From what I have read, since DePauw was no longer part of the conference, the coach was not bound by any legal authority not to steal signs.  Other Wabash posters may not agree, but this one was on Wabash.  I think that is why it such a burr under our saddle.

This is the most intelligent post a caveboy has made in years. Stealing signals is as old as the act of signaling, and in sports it is just part of the game. If you are headed to the game next week, I would love to buy you a beer.

[wally_wabash]

It wasn't the stealing of signs that was at issue, it was the season-long live scouting of games, which was prohibited (either by rule or by gentlemen's agreement, I forget which) in the ICAC that was at issue.  As wabndy noted, that part of the deal wasn't in dispute and the NCAA ethics board/committee/whatever basically agreed with Wabash that it was a weak move and not sporting but also not against the rules.  Wabash assumed fair play was still in order after DePauw went south, Coach Nick threw sportsmanship out the window and won himself the Monon Bell.  Obviously, that was the end of any handshake agreements we might have had regarding scouting or anything else.  Which is fine. 

47-0.  Fair and square. 

[Caveman # 95]

Breckendoosh given the smackdown again!

[Breckenridgebear]

Breckendoosh given the smackdown again!

I don't get it. Are you a cheerleader, sorry, I mean candy striper, Caveboy #95? Because you sure do admire a lot of your fellow Boyzzz. 

The fact is that none of you have provided any proof, other than words, that any of your conspiracy theories are true.

Proof looks like this.

A clip of an average night at Dabash: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3920661

[wabndy]

I know I know - don't feed the bear.
http://palni.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/dpupub/field/identi/searchterm/02-12-1999.pdf
Figured i'd give him the only source he'd believe anyway - assuming he can read better than he can spell.  Enjoy it though, that victory is now old enough to get a driver's license.

[Breckenridgebear]

I know I know - don't feed the bear.
http://palni.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/dpupub/field/identi/searchterm/02-12-1999.pdf
Figured i'd give him the only source he'd believe anyway - assuming he can read better than he can spell.  Enjoy it though, that victory is now old enough to get a driver's license.

"The AFCA ruled in favor of Mourouzis, stating that he didn't violate any written rules or ethics."  Sounds like the American Football Coach Association Ethics Committee didn't find anything wrong. So what exactly did DePauw do wrong besides adequately prepare to win the game? I am confused.

[Breckenridgebear]

I know I know - don't feed the bear.
http://palni.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/dpupub/field/identi/searchterm/02-12-1999.pdf
Figured i'd give him the only source he'd believe anyway - assuming he can read better than he can spell.  Enjoy it though, that victory is now old enough to get a driver's license.

"The AFCA ruled in favor of Mourouzis, stating that he didn't violate any written rules or ethics."  Sounds like the American Football Coach Association Ethics Committee didn't find anything wrong. So what exactly did DePauw do wrong besides adequately prepare to win the game? I am confused.

Also, on a side note, can you believe how relatively cheap tuition was back in 1999 according to The DePauw? I bet both the DePauw scholars and Dabash Boyzzz would love to have those rates. 

[wally_wabash]

I know I know - don't feed the bear.
http://palni.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/search/collection/dpupub/field/identi/searchterm/02-12-1999.pdf
Figured i'd give him the only source he'd believe anyway - assuming he can read better than he can spell.  Enjoy it though, that victory is now old enough to get a driver's license.

"The AFCA ruled in favor of Mourouzis, stating that he didn't violate any written rules or ethics."  Sounds like the American Football Coach Association Ethics Committee didn't find anything wrong. So what exactly did DePauw do wrong besides adequately prepare to win the game? I am confused.

As reported by The Bachelor, 1/28/99 (a time which may have featured the best editorial staff in the celebrated history of the publication ), and it was explained that Wabash made agreements with all of their non-conference opponents about the ground rules for game preparation.  Will they scout, will they trade tape, if so how many games of tape, etc.  Coaches Carlson and Mourouzis agreed to exchange three game tapes and that's it.  Mourouzis had his people live scout those three games (which was not agreed to) and between the live scouted games and the tapes, they cracked the code. 

Did DePauw break rules?  They did not. The AFCA decreed it so.  But now we come to that fine line between the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, and while DePauw didn't technically break rules, they definitely spat at the spirit of the rules.  I get that you think that what happened was just Nick being clever.  But what happened is Nick giving his word to Coach Carlson with his fingers crossed behind his back.  The man lied.  That's not sporting.  Coach Nick is a legend down there and he no doubt did and does a lot of great things for the university, but that honestly has to be a low point.  He's a better coach and person than that. 

[1837Tigers]

This just in - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8BULcuCglg

[Caveman # 95]

Yet another Breckendoosh smackdown!!

Oh, Dannie Boy, the facts hurt, don't they?

Go ahead, hit me with another homophobic slur...I've heard them all!!

[Breckenridgebear]

Yet another Breckendoosh smackdown!!

Oh, Dannie Boy, the facts hurt, don't they?

Go ahead, hit me with another homophobic slur...I've heard them all!!

What "smackdown"? Like the one Dabash received today, or the one Depauw inflicted? It is officially Monon Bell week, Ding MFing Dong! As I said weeks ago, looks like this might actually be a game. And yes . . . I still hate dabash.

[wabndy]

The lesson this Sunday comes from good book of Peebles:

"For three transgressions of the Dannies and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, says Wallace of the Wabash.

Because they have coveted their neighbors' bell, they shall never possess the Bell, and it shall remain in stronger hands than theirs all the days of their lives, and they shall hear its sounds ringing in their ears, and they shall lust after it, but they shall be forever frustrated.

Becuase they have defaced their neighbors' campus, they shall fall before Stan Parrish and his mighty men, and they shall be powerless before the run, before the pass, and before the field goal, and they shall see many points on the scoreboard, but non shall be theirs, and they shall hear many cheers, but none shall praise them.

Because they have broken their neighbors' windows, their own conceit will be broken. And because they have stolen their neighbors' banner, their tiger's tail will be cut in pieces. And, because they have dared to oppose the sons of Wabash in open combat, they shall be cut off out of the land of the living, and their name shall perish from the face of the earth.

But with the sons of Wabash it is not so. The sons of Wabash will possess the goals of the Dannies, and the mighty men of Parrish will trample the faces of the Dannies in the mud, and the hosts of Wabash call their team blessed. And even even the Dannies will remember that giants trod once again upon the earth that day.

And the sons of Wabash will possess the women of the Dannies, and will bear them triumphantly away from Greencastle to a fair land to the north, a land flowing with beer, yea with much fine beer and with other pleasures that gladden the hearts of men, and there they shall dwell securely and in happiness all the days of their lives. And the sons of Wabash shall leave the shadow of their own vines, and their own fig trees, only once a year, as they travel triumphantly to and from Phoenix City, and as they pass a brown spot on the Indiana earth, they will say, that once was the Dannies."


Thus speaketh Yahweh.

[smedindy]

Oh, Bear.

If you only watched the Witt game, you'd know...

21-15 > 34-17 BTW.