Pool C -- 2014

[Pat Coleman]

As did I, and I +1'd ... but I didn't say anything. Thanks for playing our game!

[Bombers798891]

East region teams can earn a #1 seed by, let's say, not losing a game or two during the season.  That would be a good start.

Do you mean the regular season or the entire season?

Because it seems like not losing a game for the entire season is a pretty ridiculous standard to hold anyone to, considering the current state of affairs in D-III football.

But that has to be what you mean, right? Because the East region did have a team go without a regular-season loss in 2012. And 2013. And, in all likelyhood, will have one in 2014 as well.

[jknezek]

An East team will earn a #1 seed when an East team is considered one of the top 4 teams in the country. Until then, it won't, and shouldn't, happen. It's pretty simple.

[Bombers798891]

An East team will earn a #1 seed when an East team is considered one of the top 4 teams in the country. Until then, it won't, and shouldn't, happen. It's pretty simple.

I don't disagree, and neither do a lot of East posters. And I wouldn't consider an unbeaten Hobart to even be in that discussion. In fact, I wouldn't have even considered a 10-0 Fisher to automatically be in the discussion, considering I wrote several posts on the E8 about what the teams on Fisher's schedule would need to do to help them earn that recognition if they did go 10-0.

That said, if people are going to write "That would be a good first step" posts about East teams, they could at least take them time to get their facts straight. It's one thing to be patronizing, but lecturing a region to do something they've already done—twice—is pretty insulting

[jknezek]

An East team will earn a #1 seed when an East team is considered one of the top 4 teams in the country. Until then, it won't, and shouldn't, happen. It's pretty simple.

I don't disagree, and neither do a lot of East posters. And I wouldn't consider an unbeaten Hobart to even be in that discussion. In fact, I wouldn't have even considered a 10-0 Fisher to automatically be in the discussion, considering I wrote several posts on the E8 about what the teams on Fisher's schedule would need to do to help them earn that recognition if they did go 10-0.

That said, if people are going to write "That would be a good first step" posts about East teams, they could at least take them time to get their facts straight. It's one thing to be patronizing, but lecturing a region to do something they've already done—twice—is pretty insulting

True. And we were in agreement on the E8ish pages if I recall.

[Bombers798891]

True. And we were in agreement on the E8ish pages if I recall.

We were. In fact, I think a lot of E8 posters understand completely the lack of geographical regions thing. I think sometimes posts get written in a way where it sounds like we don't—I know I've had a couple that sound that way. But I think almost everyone who writes, "Man, I wish Mount Union wouldn't get shipped East" really means "Man I wish the East would have a team deserving of a #1 seed."

I don't disagree that that isn't always clear, and we should probably stop saying variations of "I hate it when Mount comes East" or whatever variant. But I also think some non-E8/LL posters who haven't heard all the lengthy discussions we've had on the topic see those posts and assume we're all living in denial about how the system works.

Trust us, non-East guys, we get it. There's a reason we all groan at Hobart's unwillingness to schedule a quality team OOC and Fisher's inability to figure out how a ****ing triple option works.

[jknezek]

Trust us, non-East guys, we get it. There's a reason we all groan at Hobart's unwillingness to schedule a quality team OOC and Fisher's inability to figure out how a ****ing triple option works.

+K. That got a chuckle out of me

[wally_wabash]

East region teams can earn a #1 seed by, let's say, not losing a game or two during the season.  That would be a good start.

Do you mean the regular season or the entire season?

Because it seems like not losing a game for the entire season is a pretty ridiculous standard to hold anyone to, considering the current state of affairs in D-III football.

But that has to be what you mean, right? Because the East region did have a team go without a regular-season loss in 2012. And 2013. And, in all likelyhood, will have one in 2014 as well.

The regular season.  Come on, now.  Although the latter is actually important.  You wouldn't necessarily have to win EVERY game for the entire season, but you would have to win enough games in one year's tournament to give yourself seeding leverage the following year if you go undefeated in that following year.  But let's just stick to winning 10 games first. 

The Liberty League is kind of not very good.  Make the case, using selection and seeding criteria, for Hobart to have been awarded a #1 regional seed in 2012, 2013, and/or 2014. 

Trust us, non-East guys, we get it. There's a reason we all groan at Hobart's unwillingness to schedule a quality team OOC and Fisher's inability to figure out how a ****ing triple option works.

That's hilarious.  Well played, sir.   

[Bombers798891]

The regular season.  Come on, now.  But let's just stick to winning 10 games first. 

The Liberty League is kind of not very good.  Make the case, using selection and seeding criteria, for Hobart to have been awarded a #1 regional seed in 2012, 2013, and/or 2014. 

I can't, because there isn't one. I don't need to, however, because I never claimed there was. My only complaint—and the only thing I quoted—was that that you wrote that a good "first step" would be going undefeated in the regular season, and that seemed unfair considering it had been accomplished twice, and will probably be accomplished a third time.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point. I'm just saying, if we're going to lay out step they need to complete, let's start with ones they haven't taken. Like that hilarious schedule/triple option thing you guys love so much. Suppose Fisher had beaten Salisbury this year, for example. How would they look right now?

[D3MAFAN]

The regular season.  Come on, now.  But let's just stick to winning 10 games first. 

The Liberty League is kind of not very good.  Make the case, using selection and seeding criteria, for Hobart to have been awarded a #1 regional seed in 2012, 2013, and/or 2014. 

I can't, because there isn't one. I don't need to, however, because I never claimed there was. My only complaint—and the only thing I quoted—was that that you wrote that a good "first step" would be going undefeated in the regular season, and that seemed unfair considering it had been accomplished twice, and will probably be accomplished a third time.

I'm not disagreeing with your overall point. I'm just saying, if we're going to lay out step they need to complete, let's start with ones they haven't taken. Like that hilarious schedule/triple option thing you guys love so much. Suppose Fisher had beaten Salisbury this year, for example. How would they look right now?

They'll look the same, because just like some teams who can't make it into the Top 25, it is all the same with making it pass the Elite 8, until an East teams does that or beat a Top 6 team within the season, the highest a Eastern regional Team will get is a lovely #2 seed and a trip to either UWW, UMHB, Wesley, or that place that no one wins at.

[Bombers798891]

They'll look the same, because just like some teams who can't make it into the Top 25, it is all the same with making it pass the Elite 8, until an East teams does that or beat a Top 6 team within the season, the highest a Eastern regional Team will get is a lovely #2 seed and a trip to either UWW, UMHB, Wesley, or that place that no one wins at.

I'm okay with that. Not likely to happen, of course. But you've got to earn it on the field.

[smedindy]

SJF would look nice NOW, but their SOS will take a big hit when they play Alfred State and when Otterbein plays their tough OAC games, starting with B-W. Otterbein could realistically finish 4-6.

[boobyhasgameyo]

That Alfred State game is just a lose-lose.  If Fisher crushes them, they are doing what they are supposed to.  If it's within 3 scores then it's a problem.  If Fisher loses, their program will implode right on the spot.  But no matter what the outcome, their SOS will suffer bringing that team to the fold. 

Is it next year yet?  OOC will be John Carroll and possibly Thomas More.  Unless the TM game is trying to be worked into a later season. 

[boobyhasgameyo]

SJF would look nice NOW, but their SOS will take a big hit when they play Alfred State and when Otterbein plays their tough OAC games, starting with B-W. Otterbein could realistically finish 4-6.

Also, Otterbein beat Baldwin Wallace today to improve to 5-1 in conference.  I think they should be favored against Ohio Northern and more realistically will finish 6-3 in conference.  Which is about what I expected of them this year. 

[smedindy]

Centre looks on its way to 10-0 after beating Rhodes. They could leap into "B" with TLU's loss, depending on who the NCAA decides gets an "A" THIS week...