Pool C -- 2014

[Just A Guy]

Well, good news for Centre.  There were definitely some surprises tonight, but I'm glad the committee at least got this one right.

Thank you!!!!  I just spoke to my son, who is a Sr at Centre, and they are VERY pleased to be in the playoffs.

[wesleydad]

If the decision to choose Muhlenberg over Framingham is the RR loss then I am ok with it.  Rowan is not very good.  Johns Hopkins would crush them IMO.  Who wins if they play, I don't know but if the records are the same and the SOS is not crazy different then  Muhlenberg gets in.  As far as Bethel, no team with 3 losses should be complaining about anything.

[D3AlumniParent]

Well, good news for Centre.  There were definitely some surprises tonight, but I'm glad the committee at least got this one right.

Thanks Gill. We're all pretty happy. Playing with house money now!  Life is good.

Good luck to you.

[wally_wabash]

If the decision to choose Muhlenberg over Framingham is the RR loss then I am ok with it.  Rowan is not very good.  Johns Hopkins would crush them IMO.  Who wins if they play, I don't know but if the records are the same and the SOS is not crazy different then  Muhlenberg gets in.  As far as Bethel, no team with 3 losses should be complaining about anything.

This is a really good point and a perfectly reasonable way to apply the criteria.  I would have leaned toward FSU, but I can see this angle. 

[art76]

As far as Bethel, no team with 3 losses should be complaining about anything.

I am pretty sure no Bethel fans are complaining on this board, nor the MIAC board. What's this about?

[wesleydad]

As far as Bethel, no team with 3 losses should be complaining about anything.

I am pretty sure no Bethel fans are complaining on this board, nor the MIAC board. What's this about?

Sorry, did not state clearly.  Some posts were questioning St. Thomas over Bethel despite H2H result.  I have not read any specific Bethel folk complaining, just that once you get to 3 losses there is no chance you get in.

[smedindy]

Frankly the whole AQ/B/C concept needs to be adjusted.  A team should have to be ranked in the Top 25 to receive an AQ not simply win its conference. I believe this was a measure that existed in NAIA football (at least my senior year at Linfield which was 1993).

This is exactly why Division III is not the NAIA. The NCAA, across levels and sports, has automatic bids. This is what we do. It gives everyone a chance to play for something.

This is baked into the Division III philosophy. It's not going away.

It's actually baked into all sports but FCS football which actually doesn't reward an NCAA trophy. ALL sports and championships in ALL divisions of the NCAA have autobids and polls mean nothing in terms of criteria.

I just read that D2 football does not. On the site I read at the NCAA it says the 24 teams were chosen by committee. League champs Indianapolis and Azusa Pacific were out, though I don't think the GNAC (D2 style) has enough teams anyway.

[smedindy]

Dave:

http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/football-postseason-fcs-division-ii-and-division-iii

"Division II — The Division II Football Championship consists of a 24-team playoff field. All teams are selected by the Division II Football Committee. The game is played annually at Braly Municipal Stadium near the campus of the University of North Alabama in Florence, Ala."

[AO]

Frankly the whole AQ/B/C concept needs to be adjusted.  A team should have to be ranked in the Top 25 to receive an AQ not simply win its conference. I believe this was a measure that existed in NAIA football (at least my senior year at Linfield which was 1993).

This is exactly why Division III is not the NAIA. The NCAA, across levels and sports, has automatic bids. This is what we do. It gives everyone a chance to play for something.

This is baked into the Division III philosophy. It's not going away.

It's actually baked into all sports but FCS football which actually doesn't reward an NCAA trophy. ALL sports and championships in ALL divisions of the NCAA have autobids and polls mean nothing in terms of criteria.

FBS, FCS has the auto bids and the trophy.  Go Bison! 4-peat upcoming.

[Tekken]

Here's to hoping TLU and Muhlenberg face off in the quarters (so we can see where the game is hosted), and then TLU sees Centre in Salem so this can all be settled once and for all. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I have mis-typed FCS several times tonight... I have meant FBS in my comments. Sorry for the confusion.

And I apologize for the DII confusion, I accidentally read the D1 rules (not sure how I clicked on the wrong manual...). But when I did find the D2 rules, they have a whole different scenario:

No conference will receive automatic qualification for the 2014 NCAA Division II Football Championship. Earned access to the playoffs can be gained by a conference if a conference representative finishes in the top eight of the final super regional rankings on Selection Sunday. The conferences with earned access are:

● Central Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
● Great American Conference
● Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
● Great Lakes Valley Conference
● Gulf South Conference
● Lone Star Conference
● Mid-American Intercollegiate Athletic Association
● Northeast-10 Conference
● Northern Sun Conference
● Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
● Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
● South Atlantic Conference
● Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

After that... they have at-large selections, it appears.

All teams will be eligible for the Division II championship in the selection region (super regional) in which they are located geographically. There will be six teams selected per super regional to make up the field of 24 teams. The teams selected within each super regional will play each other in the first, second and quarterfinal rounds, with the super regional winners playing in the semifinals.

[D3AlumniParent]

Here's to hoping TLU and Muhlenberg face off in the quarters (so we can see where the game is hosted), and then TLU sees Centre in Salem so this can all be settled once and for all. 

Dude...that is so funny! I love it!

Then maybe we can both go to the game, sit next to each other, phones in hand and text insults back and forth.  Sounds like a plan.

[D3AlumniParent]

Watching Sunday Night Football with my son tonight. Player introductions come on. One of the Colts is from UMHB, another from Wheaton and a Patriot is from Condordia MN. 

Funny I didn't know they played football at those schools. 

[AO]

Watching Sunday Night Football with my son tonight. Player introductions come on. One of the Colts is from UMHB, another from Wheaton and a Patriot is from Condordia MN. 

Funny I didn't know they played football at those schools. 

The concordia mn is the d2 St. Paul version.

[Pat Coleman]

I have mis-typed FCS several times tonight... I have meant FBS in my comments. Sorry for the confusion.

And I apologize for the DII confusion, I accidentally read the D1 rules (not sure how I clicked on the wrong manual...). But when I did find the D2 rules, they have a whole different scenario:

No conference will receive automatic qualification for the 2014 NCAA Division II Football Championship. Earned access to the playoffs can be gained by a conference if a conference representative finishes in the top eight of the final super regional rankings on Selection Sunday. The conferences with earned access are:

● Central Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
● Great American Conference
● Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
● Great Lakes Valley Conference
● Gulf South Conference
● Lone Star Conference
● Mid-American Intercollegiate Athletic Association
● Northeast-10 Conference
● Northern Sun Conference
● Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
● Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
● South Atlantic Conference
● Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

After that... they have at-large selections, it appears.

All teams will be eligible for the Division II championship in the selection region (super regional) in which they are located geographically. There will be six teams selected per super regional to make up the field of 24 teams. The teams selected within each super regional will play each other in the first, second and quarterfinal rounds, with the super regional winners playing in the semifinals.

The earned access model is the one I recommend for Division III as we get too large to accommodate all the automatic bids.