FB: Region 6 fan poll

[hazzben]

With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration.  I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago.  Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again?  And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?

It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.

UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.

One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.

It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.

[WW]

With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration.  I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago.  Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again?  And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?

It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.

UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.

One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.

It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.

Redlands and Susquehanna are the only current Pool C candidates I can find that are a reasonable lock to get there with 1 loss. A bunch are like Platteville, 1 loss now, but a team like Oshkosh remaining on their schedule. Favored? Sure. But hardly a gimme.

Of potential 2-loss candidates, GAC has the opportunity to be the strongest of them, with losses to Bethel and SJU, but only if Bethel beats UST. I don't see a path for a 2-loss UWP or UST -- that loss to EauClaire left a mark. Of course, some unexpected WIAC hijinks with UWW remaining opponents could jumble stuff up, but I wouldn't expect it.

[02 Warhawk]

With playoff and pool C talk heating up, I was just curious if anyone can foresee a team starts a log jam in the pool C discussion...i.e. an 8-2 team is regionally ranked higher than other 9-1 teams, then when they take the next highest regionally ranked teams out of the 4 regions for pool C consideration, is never really discussed and other 9-1 teams never make it to the table for consideration.  I think that happened with UW-Platteville a few years ago.  Do we think UST, Gustavus or Platteville could do that in the west region again?  And is there some mechanism to prevent this from happening in the future?

It's always possible. But take typically if a two loss team is ranked above a one loss, it's because they really good criteria.

UWP has only one loss, if they lose to UWO they aren't going to be in front of Redlands or Bethel if they both finish with a single loss.
GAC - if Bethel beats UST, they'll be behind Bethel due to H2H, no one really trapped.
UST - if they beat Bethel and GAC, and UWP beats UWO, they'd be behind UWP and Redlands.

One wildcard could be Central v. Wartburg. Central has a great QB. If they beat Wartburg that throws another 1 loss team into the mix. Wartburg probably ends up behind 1 loss Redlands and Bethel. But could jump some two loss teams.

It's a fun time of year to start considering all the counterfactuals. But I'll go ahead and assume there is going to be at least a loss (or two or three) that no one expects that shake up the entire discussion. Last week UMHB almost lost a game most assumed they'd win. Whitworth just lost to Puget Sound when most assumed it was a pending showdown with Linfield for the NWC A bid. And they could still beat Linfield at the seasons end. GAC, UST, Bethel have intrigue left in them. Union, Cortland, Ithaca all have big games remaining. A few years ago people assumed Bethel was dead in the water with two losses, only to have the field come back to them and sneak into the playoffs. Gonna be a fun stretch run.

Redlands and Susquehanna are the only current Pool C candidates I can find that are a reasonable lock to get there with 1 loss. A bunch are like Platteville, 1 loss now, but a team like Oshkosh remaining on their schedule. Favored? Sure. But hardly a gimme.

Of potential 2-loss candidates, GAC has the opportunity to be the strongest of them, with losses to Bethel and SJU, but only if Bethel beats UST. I don't see a path for a 2-loss UWP or UST -- that loss to EauClaire left a mark. Of course, some unexpected WIAC hijinks with UWW remaining opponents could jumble stuff up, but I wouldn't expect it.

I would add NCC to that. I don't see any teams coming within 2-3 scores of NCC for the remainder of the season. IL-W is OK, but they were just shutout at home by Wash U. NCC beat Wash U by 33.

[hazzben]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

[art76]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

[02 Warhawk]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.

[OzJohnnie]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.

It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.

[02 Warhawk]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.

It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.

Mount has been given that treatment for years.

[TheChucker]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.

It could matter for the Johnnies in the perennial charity seeding given to the east.

Mount has been given that treatment for years.

Actually, last year was Mount's only top seed pairing with the East in the last four years. Alfred was the top seed in Mount's 2016 bracket.

2018   Mount/Brockport. UMHB/UWW
2017   Mount/Oshkosh. UMHB/Delaware Valley
2016   Alfred-Mount/UMHB. UST-Oshkosh/John Carroll
2015   Mount/Oshkosh. UST/Linfield

[hazzben]

Agreed 02, I think NCC, baring a UST/UWEC result, is looking good to finish with 1 loss.

The danger for Bethel and UWP is also their potential ace in the whole. UST and UWO are solid teams that could beat them. But if they win, it will be a boost for their playoff resumes.

For Bethel, the biggest boost is actually GAC beating UST. A two loss GAC has a greater chance of being/staying Regionally Ranked.

Agreed. It's an interesting position for Bethel to be in, cheering for the Gusties the week before they themselves face the Tommies. Because beating the Tommies now knocks them out of being ranked regionally, most likely. And it has already mentioned, perhaps the Gusties could get that regional ranking and boost BU's RRO to 1-1.

I would think if Bethel beats UST they're in. One loss team in the MIAC is golden for a Pool C. The outcome of UST/GAC won't matter much for Bethel, IMO.

Agree for making the field. But for both SJU and Bethel, a two loss and Regionally Ranked GAC is a major resume bump. SJU would be 2-0, Bethel 1-1 v. RRO. SJU's 1 seed might hinge on something like that. Also might be the difference between Bethel hosting in the first round as a 4 seed, or even grabbing a 3 seed. Lots of football before that matters though.

Another year, same story though ... so so many really good teams in the West.

[DuffMan]

Also might be the difference between Bethel hosting in the first round as a 4 seed, or even grabbing a 3 seed.

You know the NCAA doesn't seed the brackets!!! 

[02 Warhawk]

        2019 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll

Rank      Team           Previous    Points   
1)   St. John's (6)        1          87   
2)   UW-Whitewater (3)     2          84           
3)   Bethel                3          64       
t4)   Wartburg              4          57
t4)   Chapman               5          57
6)   UW-Platteville        6          48
7)   Redlands              7          33
8)   Linfield             t8          25
9)   St. Thomas           t8          24
10)   UW-LaCrosse          N/A          8
 
Dropped Out: Whitworth

RV)   Whitworth (5), Central (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)


Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.

[02 Warhawk]

 
1)  St. John's (6)        87      ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2)
2)  UW-Whitewater (3)     84      ( 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2)
3)  Bethel                64      ( 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 7)
t4)  Wartburg              57      ( 3, 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 9)
t4)  Chapman               57      ( 3, 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 6)
6)  UW-Platteville        48      ( 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 6, 6, 6, 9) 
7)  Redlands              33      ( 6, 7, 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8)
8)  Linfield              25      ( 5, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 9, 9,10)
9)  St. Thomas            24      ( 7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9,10, -)
10)  UW-LaCrosse            8      ( 9,10,10,10,10,10,10, -, -)

RV)  Whitworth              5      ( 6, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  Central                2      ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  Gustavus Adolphus      1      (10, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[02 Warhawk]

Just realized I haven't been updating the "Previous" column the entire year. Only took me till week 8 of the season to notice it 

I went back and updated the previous few weeks

[art76]

        2019 Week 8 West Region Fan Poll

Rank      Team           Previous    Points   
1)   St. John's (6)        1          87   
2)   UW-Whitewater (3)     2          84           
3)   Bethel                3          64       
t4)   Wartburg              4          57
t4)   Chapman               5          57
6)   UW-Platteville        6          48
7)   Redlands              7          33
8)   Linfield             t8          25
9)   St. Thomas           t8          24
10)   UW-LaCrosse          N/A          8
 
Dropped Out: Whitworth

RV)   Whitworth (5), Central (2), Gustavus Adolphus (1)


Thanks to those who participated this week: 02 Warhawk, wm4, WW, art76, doolittledog, smedindy, desertcat1, TwoArmedScot and wartnight.

Wow, I hit 9 out of 10 in the correct order. I think that's as close as I have ever gotten.