FB: Region 6 fan poll

[02 Warhawk]

 
1)  St. Thomas (8)        89      ( 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2)
2)  UW-Whitewater (1)     79      ( 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3)
3)  St. John's            75      ( 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3)
4)  Whitworth             51      ( 4, 4, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 8)
5)  UW-Platteville        43      ( 4, 5, 5, 6, 6, 6, 7, 8, 9)
6)  UW-Oshkosh            42      ( 4, 4, 4, 4, 5, 6, 9,10, -)
7)  Monmouth              30      ( 5, 6, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9,10,10) 
8)  Central               25      ( 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 9,10, -, -)
9)  Linfield              22      ( 6, 6, 7, 8, 9,10,10,10, -)
10)  UW-LaCrosse           15      ( 7, 7, 7, 8, -, -, -, -, -)

RV)  Redlands               9      ( 5, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  Bethel                 6      ( 8, 9,10, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  St. Olaf               4      ( 7, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  Wartburg               3      ( 8, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)
RV)  Simpson                2      ( 9, -, -, -, -, -, -, -, -)

[D O.C.]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

[miac952]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

[D O.C.]

True.
They should skate to the semis and should be happy.

[jamtod]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

[art76]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

[jamtod]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.

[art76]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.

Very valid points. Guru Pat may chime in here with other insight. I know that there are nuances involved in the setting up of the bracket at the end of the year.

[retagent]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.

The ultimate counting of chickens while they're still eggs.

[jamtod]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.

The ultimate counting of chickens while they're still eggs.

Welcome to d3boards.com I will be your guide.

[wally_wabash]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

This is a bad narrative.  How did Mount Union waltz last year?  Or the year before? 

[wally_wabash]

Whoo boy, Whitewater and St. Thomas eliminate one or the other and Mt. Union waltzes again.
Maybe not the second round though.

Careful. The Texas boys will come crawling out and remind you they are not to be forgotten. Especially with it being hosted down there this year.

My assumption is that the Texas boys and Mount are on opposite sides of the bracket for the potential championship rematch

I'm with Jamto on this - I think the NCAA would not put them in the bracket to meet before the championship game. All things being equal, and if the same top four teams are still the top four teams, it's way easier for them to pit 1 against 4 and 2 against 3, meaning the Tommies will be traveling to Belton and Brockport would head to Alliance.

I don't know that the committee would either:
a. Set up the bracket for 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 (yes, separate 1 and 2 but not beyond that). Maybe somebody else has better insights on those pairings.
b. Have UST ranked above Brockport anyway. Technically Brockport advanced further last year. Both lost to the same team but UST had an early season loss that impacted their pairings. Consensus here might put UST ahead of Brockport but not necessarily by committee criteria.

The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic.  Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll.  St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship.  Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV.  But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union.  We'll have to see how it plays out. 

So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before.  That's not a thing that is in play at all. 

If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas

And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket.  Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did.  I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round.  Just too many variables at that point. 

But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg.  We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.

[jamtod]

The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic.  Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll.  St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship.  Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV.  But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union.  We'll have to see how it plays out. 

So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before.  That's not a thing that is in play at all. 

If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas

And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket.  Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did.  I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round.  Just too many variables at that point. 

But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg.  We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.

I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?

[wally_wabash]

The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic.  Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll.  St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship.  Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV.  But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union.  We'll have to see how it plays out. 

So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before.  That's not a thing that is in play at all. 

If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas

And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket.  Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did.  I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round.  Just too many variables at that point. 

But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg.  We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.

I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?

I want to say that the answer here is yes, but I'd need to look closer to be sure.  Certainly last year's bracket was set up in a logical 1-4 / 2-3 format.  It would have been the easiest thing ever for The Committee™ to take that all East region bracket and pair it with Mount Union's bracket and call it good.  But they didn't- they paired the regions according to a proper ranking of the top seeds and Brockport went to Texas instead of Ohio. 

[jamtod]

The below quote is just a duplicate from a conversation I had elsewhere about this very topic.  Note that the context of "top 4" in this post refers to the top 4 ranked teams in the D3Football.com top 25 poll.  St. Thomas, I believe, would need some really powerful criteria cards to play to be seeded ahead of Brockport if both teams go undefeated given the results of last year's championship.  Not impossible, but unlikely from my POV.  But then again, The Committee™ hates everybody except for Mount Union so They'll probably make Husson a top seed and pair that bracket with Mount Union.  We'll have to see how it plays out. 

So, the committee doesn't care who might match up in the semifinals and whether or not they matched up in the semifinals the year before.  That's not a thing that is in play at all. 

If you want to look at the top 4 teams this year and assume that they win out and then assume that they are the top 4 seeds in the tournament, I think they'd be seeded this way:
1- Mount Union
2- UMHB
3- Brockport
4- St. Thomas

And you'd wind up with Mount Union's bracket paired with St. Thomas's bracket and UMHB's bracket paired with Brockport's bracket.  Brockport would be seeded higher here because they went one round further in last year's championship than St. Thomas did.  I don't think they would pair brackets together for travel purposes projecting all the way out to the semifinal round.  Just too many variables at that point. 

But before you get into any of that, Whitewater is certainly in play for a top regional seed as is Frostburg.  We'll have to see how the RROs and SOSs shake out as we get down into November before we can be more certain.

I agree with your logic there, but I'm questioning whether matching up the 1 vs 4 seed in the tournament is really a thing that happens. Mount and UMHB, if they remain undefeated, will be placed on opposite sides of the bracket. But is there actual precedent for the #3 and #4 seeds to be paired with #2 and #1?

I want to say that the answer here is yes, but I'd need to look closer to be sure.  Certainly last year's bracket was set up in a logical 1-4 / 2-3 format.  It would have been the easiest thing ever for The Committee™ to take that all East region bracket and pair it with Mount Union's bracket and call it good.  But they didn't- they paired the regions according to a proper ranking of the top seeds and Brockport went to Texas instead of Ohio.

But last year, the likely #1 and #2 (teams from the previous championship game that remained undefeated) would be UMHB and Oshkosh. That would have put Mount as the #3 and Brockport as the #4 which maybe seems logical?