2015 D3 Season: NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

[backyarddawg]

They are usually released by 1:00 pm.

[Flying Weasel]

I think it has typically varied from around 1pm to 3pm with the first week running a little later than subsequent weeks.  And often times the men's and women's rankings do not get posted at the same time, but it's not always consistent which gets published first.  It's two different committees doing the rankings.

[PaulNewman]

Today's Best Tilts

Thomas More @ Grove City -- 1:00 start for this one and one of last semi-chances for TMC to pick up a loss.

Wesleyan @ Trinity -- Must win for Wes to say alive for a bid and assume Trinity must win to stay alive for 'CAC playoffs.

Montclair @ MCLA -- Maybe the oddest scheduled game I've seen all year.

Hamilton @ Williams -- Williams MUST win.

NC Wesleyan @ Methodist -- Key USAC battle with four teams still very much alive.

Wentworth @ Endicott -- One the underrated games on the day as Wentworth has been pretty good and added insult to injury with WPI.

Salisbury @ Christopher Newport -- Agree with lastguy, but the Captains really need to start getting in-form, and Salisbury will be good test for that.

Rutgers-Camden @ Swat -- Very down year for the Swatties, reduced to spoiler role, and Camden needs to get rolling NOW to have a shot in NJAC tourney.

Mt. Aloysius @ CMU -- Another sleeper.  Took me 15 minutes to figure out their conference but the "Mounties" are tied in the AMCC with PS-Behrend at 7-0.

Lynchburg @ Roanoke -- A candidate for game of the night.  Watch at least 10 minutes if you can to get a sense for this classic ODAC derby.

Birm-Southern @ Emory -- Both teams need a good win and no more blemishes.

Mass-Boston @ MIT -- Fascinating contrast of styles and player backgrounds.

RPI @ Skidmore -- Does RPI still have a pulse?  And is Skidmore gonna skid?

Rowan @ Kean -- An old-fashioned NJAC donnybrook with bid implications.

Luther @ UW-Osh -- UW-O can ill-afford another blemish, especially a loss, to the visiting Norse.

UW-W @ Dubuque -- See above, except not as dire.

North Park @ Carthage -- North Park also cannot afford any more stumbles.

Occidental @ Redlands -- The nightcap at 10:00 pm, with video, and a lot on the line with the top two SCIAC squads.  Anothe game of night candidate.


Overall, a compelling slate of games.

[Mr.Right]

I think it has typically varied from around 1pm to 3pm with the first week running a little later than subsequent weeks.  And often times the men's and women's rankings do not get posted at the same time, but it's not always consistent which gets published first.  It's two different committees doing the rankings.

Also,

To re-iterate while the 1st Rankings are very important and give us an idea of what the committee is thinking, the 2nd rankings on 10-28 are MUCh more important because of the Record v Ranked and weighted SOS and OWP and OOWP

[Flying Weasel]

Yes, the introduction of the record vs. ranked opponents in week two can and does have an impact, but the SOS (2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP with the home & away multipliers are applied) is in play from week 1.  So no need to wait for next week to see where teams are stacking up using the NCAA SOS (as opposed to Massey or Bennet Rank or some of the quick-n-dirty OWP numbers different posters have computed).  And I don't know that we really see much more movement between weeks 1 and 2 than between weeks 2 and 3 just because the record vs. ranked comes into to play in week 2.  There's all sorts of things that can impact one's placement in the rankings each week, so introducing a fifth criteria in week 2, even one that we both deduce to be highly valued by the committee, hasn't usually resulted in drastic changes that can only be explained by the results vs. ranked criteria.

[lastguyoffthebench]

Where should we be looking for the Regional Rankings... Linked up on d3soccer.com or just check NCAA.com?

[Flying Weasel]

Obviously, they will be up at NCAA.com first until D3soccer.com can get them "re-posted".

[Mr.Right]

Yes, the introduction of the record vs. ranked opponents in week two can and does have an impact, but the SOS (2/3 OWP + 1/3 OOWP with the home & away multipliers are applied) is in play from week 1.  So no need to wait for next week to see where teams are stacking up using the NCAA SOS (as opposed to Massey or Bennet Rank or some of the quick-n-dirty OWP numbers different posters have computed).  And I don't know that we really see much more movement between weeks 1 and 2 than between weeks 2 and 3 just because the record vs. ranked comes into to play in week 2.  There's all sorts of things that can impact one's placement in the rankings each week, so introducing a fifth criteria in week 2, even one that we both deduce to be highly valued by the committee, hasn't usually resulted in drastic changes that can only be explained by the results vs. ranked criteria.

Ok...Very accurate points....I just remember some Drastic MOVEMENT SIN 2013 AND 2014 IN CERTAIN REGIONS THAT HAD BEEN UNSEEN BEFORE

[Flying Weasel]

No, you very well might be correct.  My memory isn't as good these days, so I can't remember specifics as well or which years, but there have been some big jumps/drops here and there.  But my overall impression is that they remain exceptions, not rules.  And you may be correct that the introduction of the record vs. ranked was a significant factor in those big movements.  I'd have to hunt those cases down and review the data to form an opinion, and I'm not going to bother for now.  Point being, yes, there is chance of some big movements, and it's not unheard of, but it also isn't the norm IMO.

[TennesseeJed]

Has there ever been any guidance (formal or informal) from the NCAA as to how the primary criteria, listed on pg. 21 of The Manual, are weighted, prioritized or evaluated?  Has anyone been able to deduce the relative importance of each factor?  I assume that some of the primary and secondary criteria never come into play vs. certain teams if the most important factors--whatever they may be--are significantly different for competitors within the region in question.  Would seem to me that overall in-division record (won-lost %) and SOS would be the first sorts and potential filters, then RvR, then H2H, and finally (for primary criteria) RvCO's.  Just curious.  Thanks for any insights.

[Flying Weasel]

Well, the women's rankings are out.  So the men's should be coming soon.

[Flying Weasel]

The Men's Data Sheets are up even though the new rankings are not yet.  Have at it kids!

[Flying Weasel]

Men's Rankings are up.

[TennesseeJed]

NTRAL      IN-DIVISION RECORD      OVERALL RECORD
1.   Calvin      13-0-1      14-0-1
2.   Wheaton (Illinois)      9-3-2      9-3-2
3.   North Park      11-3-0      11-3-0
4.   Washington-St. Louis      9-2-3      9-2-3
5.   Chicago      8-4-2      8-4-2
6.   MSOE      10-4-0      10-4-0
               
   East      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Plattsburgh St.      12-1-3      12-1-3
2.   Stevens Institute of Technology      11-1-2      11-1-2
3.   SUNY Oneonta      11-3-1      11-3-1
4.   SUNY Cortland      9-4-2      9-4-2
5.   Hobart      10-2-2      10-2-2
6.   St. Lawrence      10-3-2      10-3-2
7.   Rensselaer      9-3-3      9-3-3
               
   Great Lakes      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Ohio Wesleyan      11-2-2      11-2-2
2.   DePauw      9-1-3      9-1-3
3.   Denison      9-2-2      9-2-2
4.   Rose-Hulman      9-2-3      9-2-3
5.   Thomas More      12-1-1      12-1-1
6.   CWRU      11-2-1      11-2-1
7.   Kenyon      11-1-0      11-1-0
8   Ohio Northern      13-3-0      13-3-0
               
   Mid-Atlantic      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Franklin & Marshall      13-0-0      13-0-0
2.   Lycoming      11-1-2      11-1-2
3.   Elizabethtown      13-1-1      13-1-1
4.   Haverford      11-3-0      11-3-0
5.   Eastern       12-0-2      12-0-2
6.   Dickinson      9-3-2      9-3-2
7.   Messiah      9-4-1      9-4-1
8.   Johns Hopkins      7-4-2      7-4-2
               
   New England      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Amherst      13-0-0      13-0-0
2.   Brandeis      12-2-1      12-2-1
3.   Tufts      7-3-2      7-3-2
4.   Eastern Conn. St.      12-2-1      12-2-1
5.   UMass Boston      12-2-0      12-2-0
6.   Middlebury      9-2-1      9-2-1
7.   Connecticut College      8-3-1      8-3-1
8.   Gordon      10-3-0      10-3-0
9.   Wesleyan (CT)      7-4-1      7-4-1
10.   MIT      11-1-1      11-1-1
11.   Wentworth      11-3-0      11-3-0
12.   Bridgewater St.      11-2-1      11-2-1
               
   North      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Wisconsin-Whitewater      13-2-0      13-2-0
2.   Loras      9-2-1      9-3-1
3.   Macalester      9-0-5      9-0-5
4.   Wisconsin-Oshkosh      10-2-2      10-2-2
5.   Saint John's (MN)      10-2-2      10-2-2
6.   Knox      11-1-3      11-1-3
7.   Dubuque      10-3-1      10-3-1
               
   South Atlantic      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Montclair St.      14-2-0      14-2-0
2.   Stockton      12-3-1      12-3-1
3.   Rowan      10-4-0      11-4-0
4.   Salisbury      9-3-1      9-3-1
5.   Kean      14-2-0      14-2-0
6.   Rutgers-Newark      12-4-1      12-4-1
7.   TCNJ      8-4-2      8-4-2
8.   Christopher Newport      10-1-4      10-1-4
               
   West      In-Division Record      Overall Record
1.   Trinity (Texas)      13-2-0      13-2-0
2.   Colorado College      11-2-2      11-2-2
3.   Redlands      11-2-2      11-2-2
4.   Texas-Dallas      12-1-1      13-1-1
5.   Occidental      10-1-3      10-1-3
               
               
               
               
               
               

[Mr.Right]

I am absolutely dumbfounded by some of these.....I can count 2 Handfuls that MAKE NO SENSE