2015 D3 Season: NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

[Flying Weasel]

Yeah.  I don't get the Carnegie Mellon votes, and especially up that high. They certainly are riding that opening weekend win over Messiah (and the 4-3 loss to Kenyon) for all its worth and then some. 

Suprised there wasn't more support for the NJAC #2 seed Stockton.  Instead Chris. Newport almost hangs in there, but does just miss out.

The combination of recent blemishes and weak schedule I thought should have dropped Eastern out.

Redlands wouldn't have been a bad vote, IMO, but they didn't garner too many votes apparently, but enough to be on everyone's radar come next week.

I won't have Eastern Connecticut that high if ranked at all.

[blooter442]

Yeah.  I don't get the Carnegie Mellon votes, and especially up that high. They certainly are riding that opening weekend win over Messiah (and the 4-3 loss to Kenyon) for all its worth and then some. 

I agree. Crazy thing is where they'd likely be if they had managed to get a result against Kenyon. That Messiah win looked impressive at the time of writing IMHO, and especially considering Webb scored a hat-trick, but as their season has continued it's had less and less credence in my book.

[PaulNewman]

Denison moves UP 3 spots going 1-2-2 in last five.  CMU moves UP 6 spots going 2-1-2 in last five.

CMU and Case Western are in an interesting situation, especially since both are in Great Lakes.  Case is 3-1 in the UAA while CMU sits at 1-2-2, but they have common opponents (Wash U and Chicago) for the next two games, all AWAY for both, and then finish the season against each other at Case.  CMU and Case have potential for flipping in terms of the UAA and more importantly positioning for the regional rankings.  That last game could be for a NCAA bid, especially if CMU has a good weekend this week.

[Golden_Fan]

National Poll 10/27

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4805

[Brother Flounder]

National Poll 10/27

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4805

Tufts nor Middlebury receiving a vote, especially given Tufts SOS... Hmmm.

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

National Poll 10/27

http://www.nscaa.com/rankings/4805

Tufts nor Middlebury receiving a vote, especially given Tufts SOS... Hmmm.

From what I have read on here in the past and come to understand is that the NSCAA Top 25 is based soley off where you are ranked regionally. So slots 1-7 should be the #1 regional seeds then continue down the list. So slots 8-14 are the #2 seeds and so on and so forth. This would explain why Middlebury hasn't RV because they are currently 8th in the region which means they are no where near RV. As for Tufts they are 5th behind ECSU who also didn't RV which means they aren't close either.

It also explains Stockton's huge jump to #14 after not being ranked nor RV in the last poll. They went from 6th last week to 2nd this week regionally which caused the jump.

[Scoring Machine]

But how could you explain Wash U being ranked #11, despite being ranked 4th in the Central region, with North Park and Wheaton(Ill) ranked much further down, yet they are ranked 3rd and 2nd? Shouldn't their regional ranking be higher if they are also being ranked higher, and with a victory against Wheaton as well?

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

But how could you explain Wash U being ranked #11, despite being ranked 4th in the Central region, with North Park and Wheaton(Ill) ranked much further down, yet they are ranked 3rd and 2nd? Shouldn't their regional ranking be higher if they are also being ranked higher, and with a victory against Wheaton as well?

Yes. I am just relaying discussions about this from earlier in the year and what the norm is for the system. But Wash. U is 2nd in the region and NP and Wheaton are 3 and 4 so I am not sure what you're talking about......

[Scoring Machine]

But how could you explain Wash U being ranked #11, despite being ranked 4th in the Central region, with North Park and Wheaton(Ill) ranked much further down, yet they are ranked 3rd and 2nd? Shouldn't their regional ranking be higher if they are also being ranked higher, and with a victory against Wheaton as well?

Yes. I am just relaying discussions about this from earlier in the year and what the norm is for the system. But Wash. U is 2nd in the region and NP and Wheaton are 3 and 4 so I am not sure what you're talking about......

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3/regional-rankings This is where I saw that rankings so I apologize if I am incorrect about that

[blooter442]

Tufts nor Middlebury receiving a vote, especially given Tufts SOS... Hmmm.

Can understand Midd not in RV, although I'd have them there, but Tufts not being there or in top 25 is a bit odd especially considering its SOS and 3-2-1 record v. ranked. Perhaps the Bates draw hurt them? IMHO Tufts is a better team than MIT, but such is life!

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

Rank                School   
1   Amherst College---------------------------------#1 New England    
2   Calvin College----------------------------   -------#1 Central
3   Franklin & Marshall College-----------------------#1 Mid-Atlantic    
4   Thomas More College----------------------------#1 Great Lakes   
5   University of Wisconsin-Whitewater--------------#1 North   
6   Montclair State University-------------------------#1 South Atlantic
7   Trinity University (Texas)--------------------------#1 West   
8   Kenyon College-----------------------------------#2 Great Lakes   
9.     Whitworth University------------------------------#2 West
10   Stevens Institute Of Technology----------------#1 East   
11   Washington University (Mo.)--------------------#2 Central   
12   Brandeis University-------------------------------#2 New England   
13   Elizabethtown College----------------------------#2 Mid-Atlantic    
14   Stockton University-------------------------------#2 South Atlantic    
15   Hobart College-----------------------------------#2 East      
16   Colorado College----------------------------------#3 West   
17   Macalester College--------------------------------#2 North   
18   Haverford College--------------------------------#3 Mid-Atlantic   
19   Massachusetts Insititute Of Technology---------#3 New England   
20   Loras College-------------------------------------#3 North   
21   North Park University---------------------------#3 Central   
22   Ohio Wesleyan University-----------------------#3 Great Lakes   
23   SUNY Oneonta----------------------------------#3 East      
24   Salisbury University------------------------------#3 South Atlantic    
25   Wheaton College (Ill.)---------------------------#4 Central   

Also receiving votes:
Lycoming College (12)----#4 Mid-Atlantic
Case Western Reserve University (8)----#4 Great Lakes
Carthage College (5)----#5 Central
University Of Chicago (4)----#6 Central
University Of Wisconsin-Oshkosh (1)----IND
St. Lawrence University (1)----#4 East
College Of St. Scholastica (1)----#4 North

[Mid-Atlantic Fan]

But how could you explain Wash U being ranked #11, despite being ranked 4th in the Central region, with North Park and Wheaton(Ill) ranked much further down, yet they are ranked 3rd and 2nd? Shouldn't their regional ranking be higher if they are also being ranked higher, and with a victory against Wheaton as well?

Yes. I am just relaying discussions about this from earlier in the year and what the norm is for the system. But Wash. U is 2nd in the region and NP and Wheaton are 3 and 4 so I am not sure what you're talking about......

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3/regional-rankings This is where I saw that rankings so I apologize if I am incorrect about that

No problem I just posted a break down by region for the national poll. The NCAA Regional Rankings are really the ones to keep an eye on but the other rankings are good to look at and compare as well. But in terms of teams make the NCAA Tournament by an at-large bid, the NCAA rankings tomorrow hold all the value.

[Flying Weasel]

But how could you explain Wash U being ranked #11, despite being ranked 4th in the Central region, with North Park and Wheaton(Ill) ranked much further down, yet they are ranked 3rd and 2nd? Shouldn't their regional ranking be higher if they are also being ranked higher, and with a victory against Wheaton as well?

Yes. I am just relaying discussions about this from earlier in the year and what the norm is for the system. But Wash. U is 2nd in the region and NP and Wheaton are 3 and 4 so I am not sure what you're talking about......

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/soccer-men/d3/regional-rankings This is where I saw that rankings so I apologize if I am incorrect about that

Scoring Machine, you are getting the different polls/rankings mixed up, I believe.  You referenced the NCAA regional rankings, not the NSCAA regional rankings.  The NSCAA regional polls drive their national poll, and have historically had the regional #1's placed in spots 1 thru 8 of their national poll, the regional #2's in spots 9 thru 16 nationally, and the #3's in spots 17 thru 24 and one lucky regional #4 at #25.  In terms of the ordering of teams, last year had some occassional exceptions to this longstanding national ranking framework, and this year we have seen even more exceptions.  However, what we have only seen once so far is a region having less than 2 teams ranked nationally while a second region gets a fourth team ranked.  It happened in the September 22 poll.  Otherwise there's still regional balance in the number of teams getting ranked nationally, but there are signs that the NSCAA heading in the right direction, albeit very slowly.

BUT, that has nothing to do with the NCAA regional rankings, the second of which come out tomorrow.

[PaulNewman]

FWIW, Kenyon WOMEN's home game with OWU for tomorrow has been moved to Mt Vernon HS turf field because of expected 2 inches of rain.

[PaulNewman]

Endicott gets a great goal -- tough, contested header off a nice cross -- at 6:04 in the 2nd half to edge Gordon 1-0.  Excellent college soccer game.  Big win for the Endicott program.  Can they do it twice, and will they need to?