2015 D3 Season: NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE

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Ryan Harmanis

Quote from: firstplaceloser on December 03, 2015, 06:34:00 PM
only a total of 4 Loras players and only one on first team? what's going on here

Speaks to the depth of the team and the quality of the program, IMO.  As Coach Rothert mentioned in the interview, while Loras undoubtedly has some great players, they aren't reliant on any one guy and this year it really seems like the **team** is the star.  Unfortunately, this voting also came before the Final Four, when many of these players will get to showcase their talents before the biggest audience.

While I'm sure Loras has more players deserving of more accolades, I'd bet every one of them would give up the awards to win the title this weekend.

(If we want to get cynical, there's always the possibility that coaches don't vote for players from certain teams because of personal feelings.  But with the way Loras's season has played out and the real focus on using a bunch of players, I don't necessarily think that's coming into play here).

Dubuquer

I think the coaches placed the Loras players where they deserve to be.  They truly don't have a single obvious standout player like they have in the past (Pizzello, Cavers, Figuera, Bonilla, Mejia, etc).  Watching them early in the year I didn't think they were final 4 material because they didn't have a go-to guy who I thought could carry them.  But they have a starting 11 and bench full of guys who can all play and I think that makes them very dangerous, as Rothert mentioned.  I'm looking forward to the games tomorrow!

backyarddawg

These nominations are all jokes.

Thomas Bull has given up 4 goals all year with 15 shutouts and is third team.

The leading goal scorer/points leader in the Centennial is 2nd team with another kid behind him in both categories first team and this kids team went further.  How does that make sense?

Bias toward MA but kid from Haverford has 9G/13A as a DCM.  What midfielder in a DCM role has those stats?  Kid from EU was terrific all year but nothing close to Haverford kid.

Kenyon 3 kids 1st team come on.

St. Scholastica should never have a first team fwd they play no one.

If I added correctly 13 non NCAA participants made it. 

Golden_Fan

NSCAA D3 All Americans

First Team

Pos.   Name   Class   School   Hometown
K   Sam Clougher   Jr.   Kenyon   Dublin, Ireland
D   Tom Carwile*   Sr.   Trinity (Texas)   Tulsa, Okla.
D   Martin Fevre   Sr.   Elizabethtown   Chablis, France
D   Nick Groenewold   Sr.   Calvin    Oak Brook, Ill.
D   Conor Lanahan*   Sr.   Brandeis   Avon, Conn.
D   Deklan Robinson   Sr.   Middlebury   Gloucester, Mass.
M   Logan Andryk***   Sr.   Milwaukee Engineering   Hartland, Wis.
M   Jeremiah Barnes   Sr.   Kenyon   Largo, Fla.
M   Sean Bingham*   Sr.   Massachusetts Insititute Of Technology   Garden City, N.Y.
M   Damian Bziukiewicz   Sr.   Montclair State   East Rutherford, N.J.
M   Caleb Cole*   Jr.   Gordon   Coatesville, Pa.
F   Tony Amolo*   Jr.   Kenyon   Lagos, Nigeria
F   Kyle Farrar   Jr.   St. Scholastica   London, England
F   Chase TenBrook   Sr.   Franklin & Marshall   Millville, N.J.
F   Gilbert Waso   Fr   Elizabethtown   Elizabethtown, Pa.

Second Team

Pos.   First   Class   School   Hometown
K   Chad Margotta   Sr.   Trinity (Texas)   San Antonio, Texas
D   Harry Copeland*   Sr.   St. Lawrence   Dedham, Mass.
D   Kyle Goodwin   So.   Montclair State   Carteret, N.J.
D   Kyle Thomas   So.   Lycoming    Bel Air, Md.
M   Chris Cvecko   Sr.   Case Western Reserve   Erie, Pa.
M   Marshall Hollingsworth**   Sr.   Wheaton  (Ill.)   Libertyville, Ill.
M   Josh Ocel   Jr.   Brandeis   North Attleboro, Mass.
M   John Saracco   Jr.   Eastern    Boontown Township, N.J.
M   Dylan Williams*   Sr   SUNY Oneonta   Monroe, N.Y.
M   Sam Yarosh   Sr.   Haverford   West Chester, Pa.
F   Peter DiLorenzo   Sr.   College at Brockport   Hicksville, N.Y.
F   Austin Juniet*   Sr.   Thomas More   Ft. Thomas, Ky.
F   Nico Pascual-Leone   Sr.   Amherst   Wayland, Mass.
F   Nico Roth   Sr.   Millsaps   Alzenau, Germany
F   Brian Schaefer   Sr.   Ohio Wesleyan    Chatham, N.J.
F   Shaun Watt   Jr.   Greensboro College   Montreal, Que.
F   William Webb   Sr.   Carnegie Mellon   Dallas, Texas

Third Team

Pos.   First   Class   School   Hometown
K   Thomas Bull*   Sr.   Amherst   Montgomery, N.J.
D   Jacob Bender   Jr.   Messiah   Baltimore, Md.
D   Kevin Krueger   Sr.   Wartburg   Prior Lake, Minn.
D   Carter Ocko   Jr.   Endicott   Danvers, Mass.
D   Justin Stanko   Jr.   Wisconsin-Whitewater   St. Charles, Ill.
D   Spencer Wolfe   Sr.   Whitworth   Bellingham, Wash.
M   Patrik Devlin   Jr.   Connecticut College   Washington Crossing, Pa.
M   Danny Rowe   Sr.   Messiah   Lancaster, Pa.
M   Christian Sakshaug   Fr.   Trinity (Texas)   San Antonio, Texas
F   Braden Andryk   So.   Milwaukee Engineering   Hartland, Wis.
F   Alexis Archilla   Jr.   Plattsburgh State   Warwick, N.Y.
F   Max Grossenbacher   Sr.   Colorado College   Austin, Texas
F   Matt Kinkopf   Jr.   Ohio Northern   West Chester, Ohio
F   Caleb Lucas   Jr.   Maryville (Tenn.)   Maryville, Tenn.
F   Eirik Nordseth   Sr.   Methodist   Steinkjer, Norway
F   Johnny Rummelhart   Sr.   Loras   Iowa City, Iowa
F   Michael Ryan**   Sr.   Rutgers-Camden   Marlton, N.J

igotthisfeeling

Good to see Etown get the recognition they deserve with Jilly and Martin going first team All-American...maybe the coaches who snubbed Etown felt this was a way to make up for what they did.

As for people complaining about who got on where and such...blame the COACHES who did vote and more importantly didnt vote. It's a point system that coaches vote for players and the points get added up...then based on those points - the players are placed on 1st, 2nd, 3rd, nothing for all-region and all-american.
Far too many coaches do not vote due to not having any players up for the awards, which then hurts players who are on the ballot as their point total is not as high as it could have/should have been. Its a shame really that coaches can't take the time to vote for players, but that's their choice.

People always give the NSCAA crap for having a bad system...however the people who "control" the rankings are the COACHES who vote, not some group of people who sit back and don't know anything. So when you complain about this kind of stuff all the time - you are basically saying you know more then the coaches...

Congrats to all who got selected!


CovensCorner

The fact Pascual-Leone is not first team, is puzzling to me.  He is/was arguably the best player in D3 soccer this year.

igotthisfeeling

And JSPTB - Etown can't control how good the teams are in their conference each year...many teams in the Landmark under-performed greatly this year...Catholic (preseason favorite) Scranton, USMM all did not perform as expected...Drew had a good run til they played Etown. Unfortunately, Etown's conference SOS was under .500 which killed them. Then having the nscaa regional committee chair being from their league and the guy doesn't back Etown is just a slap in the face - but I guess he got intimidated by the other coaches on the committee.

And are you saying if Etown had gone 19-1 (loss being in the conference finals) that they would not be good enough to be in the NCAA tournament?


Shooter McGavin

Quote from: CovensCorner on December 04, 2015, 09:40:33 AM
The fact Pascual-Leone is not first team, is puzzling to me.  He is/was arguably the best player in D3 soccer this year.

I agree. NPO in my opinion.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: igotthisfeeling on December 04, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
And JSPTB - Etown can't control how good the teams are in their conference each year...many teams in the Landmark under-performed greatly this year...Catholic (preseason favorite) Scranton, USMM all did not perform as expected...Drew had a good run til they played Etown. Unfortunately, Etown's conference SOS was under .500 which killed them. Then having the nscaa regional committee chair being from their league and the guy doesn't back Etown is just a slap in the face - but I guess he got intimidated by the other coaches on the committee.

And are you saying if Etown had gone 19-1 (loss being in the conference finals) that they would not be good enough to be in the NCAA tournament?

That's why they should have bolstered their non-conference schedule. To make up for their weak conference. And how did Scranton under perform when they went to the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. I think you meant over achieved.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: igotthisfeeling on December 04, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
And JSPTB - Etown can't control how good the teams are in their conference each year...many teams in the Landmark under-performed greatly this year...Catholic (preseason favorite) Scranton, USMM all did not perform as expected...Drew had a good run til they played Etown. Unfortunately, Etown's conference SOS was under .500 which killed them. Then having the nscaa regional committee chair being from their league and the guy doesn't back Etown is just a slap in the face - but I guess he got intimidated by the other coaches on the committee.

And are you saying if Etown had gone 19-1 (loss being in the conference finals) that they would not be good enough to be in the NCAA tournament?

If they had a more challenging non-conference schedule they would have been in. But the SOS killed them. I think they should have been in regardless so lets get that out of the way right now. I am not hating on Etown, but just providing you with what the committee was most likely thinking.

Etown non-conference schedule:
Beat PSU-Harrisburg(3-11-2), DeSales(8-8-2), Dickinson(13-5-3), Wilkes(4-13-0), Gwynedd Mercy(6-13-1), Messiah(14-5-1), PSU-Berks(9-9-1), Lancaster Bible(13-7-3)

Lost to F&M(17-4-0)

Tied Alvernia(9-7-6)

The combined record of opponents for the their wins out of conference is a dismal 70-71-13 then you have the loss to F&M and the tie to Alvernia.

Personally they played 6 cupcakes, 3 really good teams, and 1 average team out of conference. But if you compare that schedule to other teams around the region or country that play in sub-par conferences I bet Etown's non-conference is one of the weaker ones. 

They went 2-1-1 against the really good/average teams out of conference. Did everything they were suppose to do except win the championship and it cost them. SOS of .520 or .525 whichever it was just didn't cut it. If they were at the .540 level they would have been in 100% IMO.

.550 seems to be the common threshold as we discussed a month ago.

igotthisfeeling

And that's where its tough to gauge where a team will be each year-you have ideas but never truly know until the season gets going, and these games are scheduled a year in advance (sometimes longer if it is a long term agreement between teams to switch home and away each year)...you have PSU-Harrisburg for example - 14-6-1 in 2014, league runner up and returned most of the team. Unfortunately in 2015 - they greatly under-achieved and had a nightmare of a season, but how is Etown supposed to know that they were going to be that way in 2015 after the year they had in 2014?
And when other teams won't schedule E'town, it makes it tougher for E'town to schedule tough games...example - LVC and Lyco won't play Etown now that Etown is out of the MAC. So E'town needs to schedule whoever they can get within a certain distance due to budgets and travel time and who is willing to play them.

Shooter - If Etown had gone 19-1 with the only loss being in the conference final...because of their SOS being so low - do they not get a bid?

lastguyoffthebench


Mike Ryan only 3rd team AA with 18g and 3a on the year?  He's probably a top 3 forward in the nation.  According to NCAA Active Stats Leaders, he is 1st in goals (75), 2nd in points (166), 3rd in games played (96) across all divisions, and against arguably one of the toughest four year schedules out there.  Rutgers-Camden was 16-13-3 vs NCAA Regionally Ranked opponents over his career.  If you factor in NSCAA National/Regional ranked schools and D3soccer.com Ranked schools, that number probably inflates to 40-45 games.  If you can name a forward with better numbers, please share.

I'd imagine Mike Ryan would have score 120 goals if he played at CSS.

Logan Andryk is #1 in points across all divisions.

Other D3 Notables Among Active Leaders:

Tom Corcoran, CSS                    165 pts
Sean Bingham, MIT                    162 pts
Kyle Farrar, CSS                        160 pts*
Sean Morgan, CSS                     143 pts
Anthony Colofranson, Stockton   123 pts*
Steven Golz, Wheaton                112 pts
Brian Schaefer, OWU                  108 pts
Lucas Terci, MSU                       106 pts
Tony Amolo, Kenyon                  104 pts
Marshall Hollingsworth, Wheaton 103 pts

*Junior

Mid-Atlantic Fan

Quote from: igotthisfeeling on December 04, 2015, 12:10:33 PM
And that's where its tough to gauge where a team will be each year-you have ideas but never truly know until the season gets going, and these games are scheduled a year in advance (sometimes longer if it is a long term agreement between teams to switch home and away each year)...you have PSU-Harrisburg for example - 14-6-1 in 2014, league runner up and returned most of the team. Unfortunately in 2015 - they greatly under-achieved and had a nightmare of a season, but how is Etown supposed to know that they were going to be that way in 2015 after the year they had in 2014?
And when other teams won't schedule E'town, it makes it tougher for E'town to schedule tough games...example - LVC and Lyco won't play Etown now that Etown is out of the MAC. So E'town needs to schedule whoever they can get within a certain distance due to budgets and travel time and who is willing to play them.

Shooter - If Etown had gone 19-1 with the only loss being in the conference final...because of their SOS being so low - do they not get a bid?

That's somewhat true and somewhat not true. You are correct in saying you never really know what teams will do each year. You can only hope and predict. PSU-Harrisburg is a great example of that. But they played 6 teams who historically have been bad over the past 5+ years in DeSales, Wilkes, PSU-Berks and Harrisburg, GM, and Lancaster Bible(who actually had a good record this year). And I find that hard to believe in saying that LVC or Lycoming wouldn't play Etown. A couple colleagues of mine said that both those teams tried to get Etown on their schedules that very next year after they left the MAC and Etown would only scrimmage. It goes both ways and it's not just Etown who is getting beat up my friend. I know another one of my good friends from up north(NY area) who has connections with some teams back in PA said that Etown denied Lycoming the past couple years when trying to schedule a game between the two. I think you need to check some facts. LVC is also right in the backyard so I can almost guarantee they would accept an invite from Etown as well and have also tried the past few seasons. Etown doesn't want to play teams that they could lose to and that was proved again this year. Why do you think they left the MAC? Tired of losing to Messiah every year maybe? Then up and coming Lycoming also joined the hunt for the MAC crown which means they would have to get past Messiah AND Lyco. So they bounced and went to the Landmark. And I also agree that Etown should have been in regardless if they were 17-2-1 or 19-1. They got snubbed but that is long over with and we should focus on the Final 4 this weekend.   

firstplaceloser

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Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 04, 2015, 12:49:21 PM

Mike Ryan only 3rd team AA with 18g and 3a on the year?  He's probably a top 3 forward in the nation.  According to NCAA Active Stats Leaders, he is 1st in goals (75), 2nd in points (166), 3rd in games played (96) across all divisions, and against arguably one of the toughest four year schedules out there.  Rutgers-Camden was 16-13-3 vs NCAA Regionally Ranked opponents over his career.  If you factor in NSCAA National/Regional ranked schools and D3soccer.com Ranked schools, that number probably inflates to 40-45 games.  If you can name a forward with better numbers, please share.

I'd imagine Mike Ryan would have score 120 goals if he played at CSS.

Logan Andryk is #1 in points across all divisions.

Other D3 Notables Among Active Leaders:

Tom Corcoran, CSS                    165 pts
Sean Bingham, MIT                    162 pts
Kyle Farrar, CSS                        160 pts*
Sean Morgan, CSS                     143 pts
Anthony Colofranson, Stockton   123 pts*
Steven Golz, Wheaton                112 pts
Brian Schaefer, OWU                  108 pts
Lucas Terci, MSU                       106 pts
Tony Amolo, Kenyon                  104 pts
Marshall Hollingsworth, Wheaton 103 pts

*Junior

Mike Ryan was robbed this year. he 100% deserved 1st team over F&M Chase Tenbrook. Ryan is arguably top 5 forward to ever play division 3. someone please prove me otherwise.


okay maybe not Tenbrook but what In the world is a kid from St Scholastica doing on here?? that is a joke

Mid-Atlantic Fan

Quote from: lastguyoffthebench on December 04, 2015, 12:49:21 PM

Mike Ryan only 3rd team AA with 18g and 3a on the year?  He's probably a top 3 forward in the nation.  According to NCAA Active Stats Leaders, he is 1st in goals (75), 2nd in points (166), 3rd in games played (96) across all divisions, and against arguably one of the toughest four year schedules out there.  Rutgers-Camden was 16-13-3 vs NCAA Regionally Ranked opponents over his career.  If you factor in NSCAA National/Regional ranked schools and D3soccer.com Ranked schools, that number probably inflates to 40-45 games.  If you can name a forward with better numbers, please share.

I'd imagine Mike Ryan would have score 120 goals if he played at CSS.

Logan Andryk is #1 in points across all divisions.

Other D3 Notables Among Active Leaders:

Tom Corcoran, CSS                    165 pts
Sean Bingham, MIT                    162 pts
Kyle Farrar, CSS                        160 pts*
Sean Morgan, CSS                     143 pts
Anthony Colofranson, Stockton   123 pts*
Steven Golz, Wheaton                112 pts
Brian Schaefer, OWU                  108 pts
Lucas Terci, MSU                       106 pts
Tony Amolo, Kenyon                  104 pts
Marshall Hollingsworth, Wheaton 103 pts

*Junior

Lyco:
Logan 11+30=41
Abdi 17+32=49

Etown:
Waso=26

If these 2 from Lycoming stay on pace and put up 25 each in the next 2 years that will put them at 91 and 99 points which is extremely impressive.

Waso from Etown would be at 104 if he puts up 26 at least each year.

This shows you how consistently good you need to be over a 4 year span to put up those kinds of numbers. Will be interesting to watch and see these 3 young all-region players over the next 2-3 years and see how close they come to the 100 point mark.